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> The real frontier of AI lies in the messy, rich, sensory world where people live. We’ll need new hardware (sensors), new data representations (beyond tokens),

by Swizec 1y ago

> The real frontier of AI lies in the messy, rich, sensory world where people live. We’ll need new hardware (sensors), new data representations (beyond tokens), and new ways to train models that grow understanding from experience, not just patterns. Like Dr. Who said: DALEKs aren't brains in a machine, they are the machine! Same is true for humans. We really are the whole body, we're not just driving it around.

nomel 1y ago
There are many people who mentally developed while paralyzed that literally drive around their bodies via motorized wheelchair. I don't think there's any evidence that a brain couldn't exist or develop in a jar, given only the inputs modern AI now has (text, video, audio).
- Swizec 1y ago
  > any evidence that a brain couldn't exist or develop in a jar The brain could. Of course it could. It's just a signals processing machine. But would it be missing anything we consider core to the way humans think? Would it struggle with parts of cognition? For example: experiments were done with cats growing up in environments with vertical lines only. They were then put in a normal room and had a hard time understanding flat surfaces. https://computervisionblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/cats-and-vision-is-vision-acquired-or-innate/ https://computervisionblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/cats-and...
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  - nomel 1y ago
    This isn't remotely a hypothetical, so I imagine there are some examples out there, especially from back when polio was a problem. Although, for practical reasons, they might have had limited exposure to novelty, which could have negative consequences.
    - Swizec 1y ago
      I agree it’s not hypothetical and also as a layperson I don’t know how much impact on cognition has been studied. Would be cool if it has! I do know of studies that showed blind people start using their visual cortex to process sounds. That is pretty cool imo

by Swizec 1y ago

nomel 1y ago

There are many people who mentally developed while paralyzed that literally drive around their bodies via motorized wheelchair. I don't think there's any evidence that a brain couldn't exist or develop in a jar, given only the inputs modern AI now has (text, video, audio).

Swizec 1y ago
> any evidence that a brain couldn't exist or develop in a jar The brain could. Of course it could. It's just a signals processing machine. But would it be missing anything we consider core to the way humans think? Would it struggle with parts of cognition? For example: experiments were done with cats growing up in environments with vertical lines only. They were then put in a normal room and had a hard time understanding flat surfaces. https://computervisionblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/cats-and-vision-is-vision-acquired-or-innate/ https://computervisionblog.wordpress.com/2013/06/01/cats-and...
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- nomel 1y ago
  This isn't remotely a hypothetical, so I imagine there are some examples out there, especially from back when polio was a problem. Although, for practical reasons, they might have had limited exposure to novelty, which could have negative consequences.
  - Swizec 1y ago
    I agree it’s not hypothetical and also as a layperson I don’t know how much impact on cognition has been studied. Would be cool if it has! I do know of studies that showed blind people start using their visual cortex to process sounds. That is pretty cool imo