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I replied in general to this and other comments above, but I wanted to directly respond to this: > I will never understand why basic facts of biology are suppo

I replied in general to this and other comments above, but I wanted to directly respond to this: > I will never understand why basic facts of biology are supposedly left-wing. It does seem to be the case that "reality has a liberal bias", but you really have to embed yourself in the culture of the religious right to fully "grok" it. I've lived in the Bible belt all my life, and quite frankly the reason basic facts of biology are left-wing to so many people (and I wouldn't even waste my breath talking about it if it weren't SO MANY people) is that these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught". Most of us can simply be angry at this sad fact of our current reality, but the number of people who believe in creationism over evolution seems to be going UP, not down. This should tell you that what the other side lacks in intellectual curiosity or rigor, they sure as hell make up for in marketing and charisma. That should make people WANT to understand why something so basic as evolution is flatly denied by about half the population. You should want to do something about it!

hef19898 14y ago
As my grandparents always said, there's no other thing like a good education... Sadly we forgot about it in the last couple of decades.
freehunter 14y ago
I was reading an article on the BBC that was an opinion piece wondering why the level of people identifying as Christian in the US was going down and the number of identifying atheists was going up. I don't want to dig for that article back (it's irrelevant in this argument). My point is, while it might seem like the number of people denying evolution is going up, its entirely plausible that they may just be getting louder out of desperation.
- joshuacc 14y ago
  Of course, it's also entirely possible that both the number of atheists and the number of evolution-denying people are rising at the expense of a third group, religious people who believe in evolution.
illuminate 14y ago
"these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught"." Yes, obviously YECs are pinnacles of logic and every liberal science teacher is straight out of a Chick tract. The problem is not as it exists solely in your head.

hef19898 14y ago

As my grandparents always said, there's no other thing like a good education... Sadly we forgot about it in the last couple of decades.

freehunter 14y ago

I was reading an article on the BBC that was an opinion piece wondering why the level of people identifying as Christian in the US was going down and the number of identifying atheists was going up. I don't want to dig for that article back (it's irrelevant in this argument). My point is, while it might seem like the number of people denying evolution is going up, its entirely plausible that they may just be getting louder out of desperation.

joshuacc 14y ago
Of course, it's also entirely possible that both the number of atheists and the number of evolution-denying people are rising at the expense of a third group, religious people who believe in evolution.

illuminate 14y ago

"these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught"." Yes, obviously YECs are pinnacles of logic and every liberal science teacher is straight out of a Chick tract. The problem is not as it exists solely in your head.