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> Oh, certainly! But it needn't be exclusive. (And "teach people better" is a lot harder than running a wire to a $30 camera.) But earlier you were pretending

> Oh, certainly! But it needn't be exclusive. (And "teach people better" is a lot harder than running a wire to a $30 camera.) But earlier you were pretending that it was the case. Interesting. Do you not remember? > I'm glad I can both survive a rear-end crash and being reversed over by someone driving a Hummer with a six foot high blind spot in the back. I don't have to pick one improvement, which is great. Are you saying the mandated camera doesn't stop someone from reversing over you or that the hummer doesn't have the camera, but won't kill you because the camera is mandated by law in other vehicles? I am not sure what to make of this statement.

ceejayoz 1y ago
> But earlier you were pretending that it was the case. Interesting. Hardly. Just that "teach people" is tough, expensive, and time consuming. "Install a $30 device" is not. (In your now flagged last-last-last reply to me, you advocated for PSAs. As we all know, they worked great to stop texting while driving!) > Are you saying the mandated camera doesn't stop someone from reversing over you or that the hummer doesn't have the camera and the hummer won't kill you because the camera is mandated by law. I'm saying I'm glad the Hummers now have backup cameras, because they sure as shit can't see me with the windows/mirrors.
- BanterTrouble 1y ago
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  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    > No you were pretending that it couldn't be done. You specifically said earlier people were too stupid to learn because many people couldn't tie up their shoelaces. This remains entirely true. That's part of why it's tough, expensive, and time consuming. People do dumb things. Much of safety is figuring out ways to lessen opportunities to do so, and mitigating damage when they manage it. See, for example, aviation/medical safety, which take the approach that individuals making mistakes is an indictment of the system that permitted that mistake to occur. We engineer them away, as much as possible, with pretty great success overall. > I knew that. I thought I deliberately misinterpret the sentence so you would be forced to clarify. You did to me several times in the other thread. No, I still wanna know how you stop time between checking behind your car and getting in, starting it up, and backing out, so no kid/pet/whatever can run behind it in those 10-15 seconds.

ceejayoz 1y ago

> But earlier you were pretending that it was the case. Interesting. Hardly. Just that "teach people" is tough, expensive, and time consuming. "Install a $30 device" is not. (In your now flagged last-last-last reply to me, you advocated for PSAs. As we all know, they worked great to stop texting while driving!) > Are you saying the mandated camera doesn't stop someone from reversing over you or that the hummer doesn't have the camera and the hummer won't kill you because the camera is mandated by law. I'm saying I'm glad the Hummers now have backup cameras, because they sure as shit can't see me with the windows/mirrors.

BanterTrouble 1y ago
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- ceejayoz 1y ago
  > No you were pretending that it couldn't be done. You specifically said earlier people were too stupid to learn because many people couldn't tie up their shoelaces. This remains entirely true. That's part of why it's tough, expensive, and time consuming. People do dumb things. Much of safety is figuring out ways to lessen opportunities to do so, and mitigating damage when they manage it. See, for example, aviation/medical safety, which take the approach that individuals making mistakes is an indictment of the system that permitted that mistake to occur. We engineer them away, as much as possible, with pretty great success overall. > I knew that. I thought I deliberately misinterpret the sentence so you would be forced to clarify. You did to me several times in the other thread. No, I still wanna know how you stop time between checking behind your car and getting in, starting it up, and backing out, so no kid/pet/whatever can run behind it in those 10-15 seconds.