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Wow - evolution has been directly observed and is the overwhelming consensus among biologists, if not among fundamentalists whose theology is threatened by it..

Wow - evolution has been directly observed and is the overwhelming consensus among biologists, if not among fundamentalists whose theology is threatened by it... yet you have carefully impugned its existence by referencing "fantastic parts," as if evolution were a matter of unicorns or Roswell or something. Go learn about Hardy-Weinberg equilibrium, then come and lecture us on how evolution isn't really a fact. I will never understand why basic facts of biology are supposedly left-wing.

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breckinloggins 14y ago
I replied in general to this and other comments above, but I wanted to directly respond to this: > I will never understand why basic facts of biology are supposedly left-wing. It does seem to be the case that "reality has a liberal bias", but you really have to embed yourself in the culture of the religious right to fully "grok" it. I've lived in the Bible belt all my life, and quite frankly the reason basic facts of biology are left-wing to so many people (and I wouldn't even waste my breath talking about it if it weren't SO MANY people) is that these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught". Most of us can simply be angry at this sad fact of our current reality, but the number of people who believe in creationism over evolution seems to be going UP, not down. This should tell you that what the other side lacks in intellectual curiosity or rigor, they sure as hell make up for in marketing and charisma. That should make people WANT to understand why something so basic as evolution is flatly denied by about half the population. You should want to do something about it!
- hef19898 14y ago
  As my grandparents always said, there's no other thing like a good education... Sadly we forgot about it in the last couple of decades.
- freehunter 14y ago
  I was reading an article on the BBC that was an opinion piece wondering why the level of people identifying as Christian in the US was going down and the number of identifying atheists was going up. I don't want to dig for that article back (it's irrelevant in this argument). My point is, while it might seem like the number of people denying evolution is going up, its entirely plausible that they may just be getting louder out of desperation.
  - joshuacc 14y ago
    Of course, it's also entirely possible that both the number of atheists and the number of evolution-denying people are rising at the expense of a third group, religious people who believe in evolution.
- illuminate 14y ago
  "these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught"." Yes, obviously YECs are pinnacles of logic and every liberal science teacher is straight out of a Chick tract. The problem is not as it exists solely in your head.
losethos 14y ago
Evolution and belief in God might dampen your enthusiasm for evolution. God said those who love evolution are vain. Dumb people don't get excited about teaching evolution. Does it make you happy that God authorized genocide? That ought to sober-up your dumb-ass. You might get what you pray for. God says... acceptably heresies provision unbending pass Latvia valuable departed cost imparted invite instruct AD future vanities archive lattice slow you_shouldn't_have repose all-sufficient heaven's hooks ensnaring covetousness three starry outer consumption errors I'm_on_a_roll medicining commendable mirthful struggles disputing loses meanly ---- Latvia has God's favorite national anthem. :-) I wuv God. War is "Servicemen competing". Love neighbor as self. Live by sword, die by sword -- if you want to play the game of soldier, you can kill as long as you don't mind getting killed. Actually, I appreciate what they do -- not a game. Are recent wars seem 100% optional. ---- God says... he spake, and praised God. 1:65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea. 1:66 And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him. 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

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breckinloggins 14y ago

I replied in general to this and other comments above, but I wanted to directly respond to this: > I will never understand why basic facts of biology are supposedly left-wing. It does seem to be the case that "reality has a liberal bias", but you really have to embed yourself in the culture of the religious right to fully "grok" it. I've lived in the Bible belt all my life, and quite frankly the reason basic facts of biology are left-wing to so many people (and I wouldn't even waste my breath talking about it if it weren't SO MANY people) is that these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught". Most of us can simply be angry at this sad fact of our current reality, but the number of people who believe in creationism over evolution seems to be going UP, not down. This should tell you that what the other side lacks in intellectual curiosity or rigor, they sure as hell make up for in marketing and charisma. That should make people WANT to understand why something so basic as evolution is flatly denied by about half the population. You should want to do something about it!

hef19898 14y ago
As my grandparents always said, there's no other thing like a good education... Sadly we forgot about it in the last couple of decades.
freehunter 14y ago
I was reading an article on the BBC that was an opinion piece wondering why the level of people identifying as Christian in the US was going down and the number of identifying atheists was going up. I don't want to dig for that article back (it's irrelevant in this argument). My point is, while it might seem like the number of people denying evolution is going up, its entirely plausible that they may just be getting louder out of desperation.
- joshuacc 14y ago
  Of course, it's also entirely possible that both the number of atheists and the number of evolution-denying people are rising at the expense of a third group, religious people who believe in evolution.
illuminate 14y ago
"these basic facts of biology simply aren't taught. Well, if by "taught" you mean "talked about with a derisive sneer" then yes, I suppose they are "taught"." Yes, obviously YECs are pinnacles of logic and every liberal science teacher is straight out of a Chick tract. The problem is not as it exists solely in your head.

losethos 14y ago

Evolution and belief in God might dampen your enthusiasm for evolution. God said those who love evolution are vain. Dumb people don't get excited about teaching evolution. Does it make you happy that God authorized genocide? That ought to sober-up your dumb-ass. You might get what you pray for. God says... acceptably heresies provision unbending pass Latvia valuable departed cost imparted invite instruct AD future vanities archive lattice slow you_shouldn't_have repose all-sufficient heaven's hooks ensnaring covetousness three starry outer consumption errors I'm_on_a_roll medicining commendable mirthful struggles disputing loses meanly ---- Latvia has God's favorite national anthem. :-) I wuv God. War is "Servicemen competing". Love neighbor as self. Live by sword, die by sword -- if you want to play the game of soldier, you can kill as long as you don't mind getting killed. Actually, I appreciate what they do -- not a game. Are recent wars seem 100% optional. ---- God says... he spake, and praised God. 1:65 And fear came on all that dwelt round about them: and all these sayings were noised abroad throughout all the hill country of Judaea. 1:66 And all they that heard them laid them up in their hearts, saying, What manner of child shall this be! And the hand of the Lord was with him. 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 1:69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: 1:71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; 1:72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; 1:73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, 1:74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.