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Honestly, good! I am so tired of these insane "I want nothing but an engine" spiritual boomers. They are making the road far more dangerous for everyone. Yes,

Honestly, good! I am so tired of these insane "I want nothing but an engine" spiritual boomers. They are making the road far more dangerous for everyone. Yes, I will force you to have automatic emergency breaking in your Model T hotrod. Yes, you will be mad. Yes, the road will be a lot safer. No I don't care about your boomer rage about technology. No you don't want to live with India tier road laws/standards - even if - and especially if - you think you do!

jollyllama 1y ago
> Yes, I will force you to have automatic emergency breaking in your Model T hotrod. Fantasy cope, you can't even force emissions testing in most counties.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  US is bizarre here. You lead in car safety features yet mostly ignore yearly car checks.
slackfan 1y ago
What a bigot.
alephnerd 1y ago
+1. Even consumers voted with their pocketbooks in favor of this towards the end given the failure of the Nissa Versa and the Toyota Yaris in the American and Canadian market. Also, there's a reason those $15K Toyotas, Suzukis, and Mitsubishis are sold in Thailand and India, and not in Japan - they don't even meet safety standards in their home country (and it's Toyota, Suzuki, and Mitsubishi that essentially sets standards for all of Japan). Automotive companies like Toyota create different platforms based on the kind of market. All emerging markets use the IMV [0] platform except China, which has it's own separate platform because of China's JV and ToT requirement. Ofc, HN skews towards gearheads and people who seem to have been born in the 1960s-80s, so it won't have great reception. [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_IMV_platform https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_IMV_platform
DiggyJohnson 1y ago
Spiritual boomers?
BanterTrouble 1y ago
The more you try to force this stuff. The more of reaction in the opposite direction you will get.
- const_cast 1y ago
  From what I've seen with regulation this isn't the case, rather the opposite is true. The more we force it, the more understood it becomes and eventually it fades into the background and nobody cares. We've already had this exact conversation in the 80s with seatbelts. Believe it or not, there were a lot of good arguments against seatbelts. And they were genuinely believed. And they were popular. And, they are now well past extinct.
  - potato3732842 1y ago
    Seatbelts on new cars is on a wholly different level than "I'm gonna force existing vehicles to take mandatory upgrades at great cost because F you". The level of public compliance you're likely to see with the latter would make the people removing emissions systems from diesels look like good little goose stepping in line central europeans.
potato3732842 1y ago
In for a penny, in for a pound. Good luck getting any serious enforcement on that boondoggle. I would rather live with India tier roads than <wherever you're from> tier opinions.
bumby 1y ago
FWIW, I’m one of those people but geared (ha) towards reliability. I’ll take the ABS and TPMS, but I don’t want “bells and whistles“ of touch screens and air conditioned seats. I’m after safety and reliability more than creature comforts.
- tharkun__ 1y ago
  It's a two edged sword. I love my camera but I've noticed that I tend to look around less, which is bad because a camera doesn't cover everything. ABS is a no brainer. So is ASR. TPMS is awesome coz face it, I have never and will never regularly check my tire pressure. Remember how they taught you to check the oil regularly? Who ever did that? I want real knobs so I don't have to look away from the road and do climate controls and radio by feel on the side. Much safer. But automatic braking is another one of those two edged swords. I almost had a car behind me crash into me recently because the car in front of me decided to abruptly slow down and turn left. I reacted and went slightly to the right to get around and the car in front of me was turning further away as well. But then the dang emergency breaking system hit the brakes and startled me. For a second I couldn't do anything then I hit the brakes too until a second later I realized it was BS and the car behind me was getting awfully close real fast and I instead hit the gas. These systems are still quite bad in judging objects that go left-right or opposite. The cruise control slows down immensely for a car on front of me taking an exit for no reason. And on the other hand it reacts way too late if another car suddenly switches into your lane when you're about to overtake them. And that's for different cars from different manufacturers and different model years so I doubt it's a unique experience.
  - Mawr 1y ago
    I get what you're saying but that driver behind you did not almost crash into you because you decided to abruptly slow down. He almost crashed into you because he did not maintain a safe following distance, wasn't paying attention, etc. It's insane how normalized terrible driving is. I don't even mean following the law at this point. It's much more basic than that and applies to every vehicle in every context. You must drive in such a way to be able to stop in time if the vehicle in front of you decides to apply max braking. This is dictated by the laws of the universe we exist in, not by some rule arbitrarily decided by humans.

jollyllama 1y ago

> Yes, I will force you to have automatic emergency breaking in your Model T hotrod. Fantasy cope, you can't even force emissions testing in most counties.

dzhiurgis 1y ago
US is bizarre here. You lead in car safety features yet mostly ignore yearly car checks.

slackfan 1y ago

What a bigot.

alephnerd 1y ago

+1. Even consumers voted with their pocketbooks in favor of this towards the end given the failure of the Nissa Versa and the Toyota Yaris in the American and Canadian market. Also, there's a reason those $15K Toyotas, Suzukis, and Mitsubishis are sold in Thailand and India, and not in Japan - they don't even meet safety standards in their home country (and it's Toyota, Suzuki, and Mitsubishi that essentially sets standards for all of Japan). Automotive companies like Toyota create different platforms based on the kind of market. All emerging markets use the IMV [0] platform except China, which has it's own separate platform because of China's JV and ToT requirement. Ofc, HN skews towards gearheads and people who seem to have been born in the 1960s-80s, so it won't have great reception. [0] - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_IMV_platform https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_IMV_platform

DiggyJohnson 1y ago

Spiritual boomers?

BanterTrouble 1y ago

The more you try to force this stuff. The more of reaction in the opposite direction you will get.

const_cast 1y ago
From what I've seen with regulation this isn't the case, rather the opposite is true. The more we force it, the more understood it becomes and eventually it fades into the background and nobody cares. We've already had this exact conversation in the 80s with seatbelts. Believe it or not, there were a lot of good arguments against seatbelts. And they were genuinely believed. And they were popular. And, they are now well past extinct.
- potato3732842 1y ago
  Seatbelts on new cars is on a wholly different level than "I'm gonna force existing vehicles to take mandatory upgrades at great cost because F you". The level of public compliance you're likely to see with the latter would make the people removing emissions systems from diesels look like good little goose stepping in line central europeans.

potato3732842 1y ago

In for a penny, in for a pound. Good luck getting any serious enforcement on that boondoggle. I would rather live with India tier roads than <wherever you're from> tier opinions.

bumby 1y ago

FWIW, I’m one of those people but geared (ha) towards reliability. I’ll take the ABS and TPMS, but I don’t want “bells and whistles“ of touch screens and air conditioned seats. I’m after safety and reliability more than creature comforts.

tharkun__ 1y ago
It's a two edged sword. I love my camera but I've noticed that I tend to look around less, which is bad because a camera doesn't cover everything. ABS is a no brainer. So is ASR. TPMS is awesome coz face it, I have never and will never regularly check my tire pressure. Remember how they taught you to check the oil regularly? Who ever did that? I want real knobs so I don't have to look away from the road and do climate controls and radio by feel on the side. Much safer. But automatic braking is another one of those two edged swords. I almost had a car behind me crash into me recently because the car in front of me decided to abruptly slow down and turn left. I reacted and went slightly to the right to get around and the car in front of me was turning further away as well. But then the dang emergency breaking system hit the brakes and startled me. For a second I couldn't do anything then I hit the brakes too until a second later I realized it was BS and the car behind me was getting awfully close real fast and I instead hit the gas. These systems are still quite bad in judging objects that go left-right or opposite. The cruise control slows down immensely for a car on front of me taking an exit for no reason. And on the other hand it reacts way too late if another car suddenly switches into your lane when you're about to overtake them. And that's for different cars from different manufacturers and different model years so I doubt it's a unique experience.
- Mawr 1y ago
  I get what you're saying but that driver behind you did not almost crash into you because you decided to abruptly slow down. He almost crashed into you because he did not maintain a safe following distance, wasn't paying attention, etc. It's insane how normalized terrible driving is. I don't even mean following the law at this point. It's much more basic than that and applies to every vehicle in every context. You must drive in such a way to be able to stop in time if the vehicle in front of you decides to apply max braking. This is dictated by the laws of the universe we exist in, not by some rule arbitrarily decided by humans.