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No. Apple does not sign up for an Apple Developer account. Contracts with oneself aren't even meaningful. This is a common tech enthusiast fallacy: thinking th

No. Apple does not sign up for an Apple Developer account. Contracts with oneself aren't even meaningful. This is a common tech enthusiast fallacy: thinking that law is code. So there must be some "if app published, there must be a developer account, and if the developer account violates the rule the app must be removed". It just doesn't work that way. Apple has contracts with third parties to allow them to distribute apps in Apple's App Store. That's it.

bryanrasmussen 1y ago
While I am in agreement about the common tech enthusiast, or perhaps just dev, mental failings regarding law, I feel obligated to point out that App store guidelines written by the company running the app store are not law.
thefounder 1y ago
This is the reason why anti-trust agencies don’t like this. Apple (with its App Store) is a gatekeeper and in Europe at least it should not favor its own apps over the others(i.e maps, payments, AI integrations etc). It should play fair.
- brookst 1y ago
  “Fair” meaning that an app that was designed from the ground up by the same people that created the device and operating system should get the same attention as a malware-ridden hack from six years ago? What does fair even mean here? Ensuring the advantages of vertical integration can’t be enjoyed by users?
  - fsflover 1y ago
    Fair means you follow your own rules and do not use your monopolistic position to promote your apps.
    - fsflover 1y ago
      Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44512225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44512225
ghushn3 1y ago
The law definitely is not code, but the law could require Apple to follow the same requirements they set for others. Then the government could sue Apple (or otherwise enforce this behavior.) It's not the worst idea I've heard, tbh.
- brookst 1y ago
  Sure, but that’s not how it works. And it’s a pretty bad idea. It basically means that no apps that ship with an OS can be available in the store.
  - ghushn3 1y ago
    I don't think that follows.
mensetmanusman 1y ago
Law is absolutely fuzzy code. Lawyers are people that try to grok the legal API in as many languages as possible. Code is a great analogy.
- brookst 1y ago
  No, it’s really not. The law is not intended to be deterministic or efficient, and it is neither. Law explicitly leaves room for human judgment and context in ways code doesn’t and shouldn’t.

bryanrasmussen 1y ago

While I am in agreement about the common tech enthusiast, or perhaps just dev, mental failings regarding law, I feel obligated to point out that App store guidelines written by the company running the app store are not law.

thefounder 1y ago

This is the reason why anti-trust agencies don’t like this. Apple (with its App Store) is a gatekeeper and in Europe at least it should not favor its own apps over the others(i.e maps, payments, AI integrations etc). It should play fair.

brookst 1y ago
“Fair” meaning that an app that was designed from the ground up by the same people that created the device and operating system should get the same attention as a malware-ridden hack from six years ago? What does fair even mean here? Ensuring the advantages of vertical integration can’t be enjoyed by users?
- fsflover 1y ago
  Fair means you follow your own rules and do not use your monopolistic position to promote your apps.
  - fsflover 1y ago
    Related: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44512225 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44512225

ghushn3 1y ago

The law definitely is not code, but the law could require Apple to follow the same requirements they set for others. Then the government could sue Apple (or otherwise enforce this behavior.) It's not the worst idea I've heard, tbh.

brookst 1y ago
Sure, but that’s not how it works. And it’s a pretty bad idea. It basically means that no apps that ship with an OS can be available in the store.
- ghushn3 1y ago
  I don't think that follows.

mensetmanusman 1y ago

Law is absolutely fuzzy code. Lawyers are people that try to grok the legal API in as many languages as possible. Code is a great analogy.

brookst 1y ago
No, it’s really not. The law is not intended to be deterministic or efficient, and it is neither. Law explicitly leaves room for human judgment and context in ways code doesn’t and shouldn’t.