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Is anyone surprised by this? Europeans still vividly remember, and are reminded, of the cost of WWII. When the head of a company, no matter how trendy, sieg hei
by octaane 1y ago
Is anyone surprised by this? Europeans still vividly remember, and are reminded, of the cost of WWII. When the head of a company, no matter how trendy, sieg heils on stage (twice!) and then goes on to publicly appear at far-right german political rallies - europeans take note, and act accordingly.
- v5v3 1y ago[flagged]
- kristopolous 1y agoThe wealthiest man in the world is want for lack of resources? Unlikely. He's 54, he knows what he's doing. It's easy to assume that atrocities while they're happening are as unpopular as they are after they happened but they're not. Population level atrocities are impossible without throngs of gushing supporters waving flags and screaming about "restoring the natural order". Always look out for flags, crosses and people with money trying to hide behind their symbols with reprehensible rhetoric.
- TulliusCicero 1y agoIf you think Elon could be persuaded to do that, I want what you're smoking. There's a certain type of person who, when others criticize them for doing some offensive things, their automatic response is just to do it even harder: https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-Y...
- nick_ 1y agoHe went to Auschwitz after being pressured to apologize for some unhinged tweets. This was all before he swig heiled twice on stage. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368.amp https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-68055368.amp
- gambiting 1y agoThat makes it(for me) so much worse, knowing that he's been to Auschwitz and still decided to do it.
- saubeidl 1y agoIt makes it an expression of his honest ideology as opposed to a thoughtless troll.
- layer8 1y agoI don’t know, it sounds exactly like what a thoughtless troll would do.
- gambiting 1y agoSo...it makes it worse(for me). Instead of being a stupid and foolish thing he did in the moment of high emotions it just confirms he's an actual Nazi. I'm literally from Oswiecim, used to go past Auschwitz on my way to school every day - the richest man on earth doing sieg heils on stage despite visiting this place is filling me with dread.
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- v5v3 1y agoWow, didn't know that. Thanks.
- fluidcruft 1y agoHe also has been known to show up at costume parties dressed as a Nazi commander. (Long forgotten controversy from over a decade ago)
- mschuster91 1y agowtf, the only such instance I remember from a VIP is one of the UK princes. How can these people think that such stuff is acceptable is beyond me.
- sawjet 1y agoApology for what?
- TulliusCicero 1y ago[flagged]
- input_sh 1y agoThe other way around. He went there to wash his image and did the nazi salute about a year after going to Auschwitz. I would argue that is even worse.
- sawjet 1y ago[flagged]
- hedora 1y agoThere’s a video of him doing it.
- epistasis 1y agoIt's actually really incredible the lengths that people will go to deny this stuff. Here's Joe Rogan, one of the most popular podcasts in the world, trying to do that, yet of course does not actually show the video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX3dJvHIvRI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eX3dJvHIvRI
- ChocolateGod 1y agoClumsy hand movement is a signature sign of autism/aspergers and anyone who watches Musk for more than 10 minutes will notice he suffers from this a lot, but it's okay to mock people for disabilities when their politics don't align with yours. I don't agree with Musk on any things, but think it's wrong to call him a nazi over clumsy hand movement. I have aspergers, my hand movements are terrible when I try do them to 'blend in', so I usually don't bother.
- princevegeta89 1y agoI will give you some context here - in my high school (India) we were never taught any of the million horrible things Hitler did to people. We were only taught that Hitler was a very prominent leader and an icon of history that always won wars and held Germany and many other countries in his grip. It was only when I read about him on the internet that I found what kind of an SOB he actually was, many years later. I was so stoned by all of that and the fact that our education and schooling hid that very fact from all of us. So it is up to us to teach kids when they grow up to allow them to know history as it exactly happened, without painting it, when the time is right.
- willvarfar 1y agoWhat was the motivation for the curriculum to hide - or even glorify - Nazi Germany? And do those motivations keen the current students similarly uninformed?
- carlosjobim 1y agoYou have to understand that nations who weren't directly involved will only be interested in broad strokes of history. Up until recently you had people in Europe and elsewhere calling themselves Maoist. Genghis Khan is not demonized in European or American schools either.
- v5v3 1y agoI imagine most of history in India will focus on Britain being more evil than Germany. More killed by British in India than Hitler killed. plus all the plundering of resources. https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-million-unaccounted-indian-victims-of-the-british-colonial-regime/articleshow/102696431.cms https://m.economictimes.com/news/india/independence-day-165-...
- princevegeta89 1y ago"do those motivations keen the current students similarly uninformed?" I am afraid that is still the case. All of the kids I know within my cousins' families (8-14 years of age), have no idea about any of the Holocaust stuff. The reason I think is the curriculum takes the holocaust not so seriously and also, the authorities believing that kids are not meant to be exposed to much details about all of the stuff. I remember it was just mentioned as "war" to us. It is still sadly the case. Also, note that we weren't taught a bit of shit about Pol Pot, Imperial Japan etc. Nobody had any idea about the Nanjing Massacre, Unit 731 etc. All we were just taught was just "wars" - who fought and who won.
- vntok 1y agoHe did that last year, yet he sieg heiled this year so the effect does not seem permanent or durable.. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/22/elon-musk-visits-auschwitz-antisemitism-twitter-x https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/jan/22/elon-musk...
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- thuridas 1y agoOh. We know. It is as we didn't have internet. His association with Trump didn't help
- ChocolateGod 1y agoBetter value electric cars from China
- arp242 1y agoIt was widely covered throughout Europe. And widely despised throughout Europe across the political spectrum from left to right. To suggest it's unrelated is a profoundly unserious suggestion.
- monkeyelite 1y agoTo suggest that market moves based on antics of a US CEO seems unserious to me.
- rsynnott 1y agoCars in particular tend to get bound up in peoples' self-image (to a rather unhealthy degree IMO, but anyway...) Few people would want the association.
- sgdpk 1y agoWe have been pretty well informed of Musk's shenanigans in Portugal. His sieg heil spread pretty quickly.
- monkeyelite 1y agoMarketing. Being informed of is different than repeated contact with a crafted message.
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- nelox 1y agoInvoking “1984” doesn’t automatically make you profound or right. You sidestep with a quip, offering no counter-evidence or analysis, just a tired dystopian trope. If you’re going to accuse someone of ignoring “evidence of your eyes and ears,” at least bring a shred of proof to the table instead of leaning on literary clichés to mask a weak rebuttal. The video may raise questions, but dismissing the point with a smug one-liner only shows you’re more interested in sounding clever.
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- hayst4ck 1y agoIt wasn't for you, it was for everyone else who feels the same way I do about what is quite clear. There's at least 3 other prominent republicans who also Sieg Heiled, including Bannon, once Trump's chief strategist, in front of CPAC (the tea party/the GOP): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9pXCuJnbc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E9pXCuJnbc
- nelox 1y agoYou know that for it to be a Sieg Heil salute one must actually say Seig Heil while saluting?
- mslansn 1y agoEurope goes beyond central Europe.
- isbvhodnvemrwvn 1y agoSo did scope of WWII.
- johncolanduoni 1y agoMaybe it’s the fault of my US centric education, but I must be forgetting that part of Europe that had a fun time during WWII. Even the Swiss spent the time preparing for the other shoe to drop.
- rsynnott 1y agoVirtually everywhere in Europe, broadly defined, was either directly involved in WW2 or was severely impacted by it while not technically being a combatant.
- cbmuser 1y agoIt’s probably more related to the fact that EV subsidies were cut in Germany at the end of last year when the government ran out of money. You’re only getting a tax discount with BEV, but no purchase discounts financed from taxes.
- juandsc 1y agoI don't think it's just the Nazi salute to be honest. The reputational damage the US has suffered this year is insane and it's getting worse. Since Trump was elected America has been awful to its allies, specially Canada and EU. Many Europeans, are avoiding spending money on American companies, much less one owned by Musk.
- scarab92 1y agoAmericans have a poor understanding of what’s going on with Teslas sales numbers because their market largely lacks the competition that exists elsewhere and so they overindex on lesser factors like Elon. The real issue is simply that Tesla are attempting to maintain their pricing and margins while the cost of producing EVs is plummeting and the variety of options is increasing. The result is that they are being severely undercut on price by BYD et al. Tesla are going to have to either start cutting prices significantly, or accept being a low volume pseudo-premium offering.