Yeah I don’t think the guy you’re talking to is really arguing in good faith or has thought through their opinion beyond wanting to shake their fist at clouds.

Yeah I don’t think the guy you’re talking to is really arguing in good faith or has thought through their opinion beyond wanting to shake their fist at clouds. Any one of those things, even if true, is still a huge effect. Take the “drugs only accessible to the wealthy” - they say that like that makes them basically pointless. Sure, it’s bad that the poorest communities can have difficulty getting access to the latest drugs, but the idea that hundreds of millions of people around the world who do have access to these drugs would still be a pretty cool achievement? Their points reek of “anything less than perfection may as well have not even existed” - which is a huge fallacy (often used in political ad campaigns to mislead the public).