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With how bad for us the common fragrances are in regards to things like cancer risk, endocrine disruption, etc, its surprising that nothing has changed. Most pr

With how bad for us the common fragrances are in regards to things like cancer risk, endocrine disruption, etc, its surprising that nothing has changed. Most products have fragrance free alternatives.

alwa 1y ago
In fact, it was specifically one of those alternatives which was under test here: “a fragrance-free body lotion containing linoleic acid (Neutral, Unilever body lotion for sensitive skin; 0% colorants and 0% perfume)” Sounds like they blame the phenoxyethanol? Which serves a preservative kind of role?
- giantg2 1y ago
  Yeah, my comment was just to add that scents have so many other issues than just what's in the article.
rowanG077 1y ago
This is the first time I'm hearing they are bad. Could you share some research about this?
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  At least in the eu there are quite strict rules regulating cosmetics. Hell, lilial in perfumes was banned just to stay safe because they couldn't determine an "average exposure" and went on by banning it in perfumes to reduce what would have been the real exposure, even if it wouldn't have caused issues by being used in perfumes standalone (so not how it's used in cleaning products) They might not be perfect, of course, and they're always improving
  - rowanG077 1y ago
    Yes of course, there are a ton of bad substances. But I as not aware of something that is. Ubiquitously used, known bad and not banned in the EU.
    - giantg2 1y ago
      EU is much better than the US for ingredient safety. I'm not sure of the EU stuff specifically, but it looks like there's still some concerns over some perfume ingredients, if not the fragrance itself. You'll probably have to do more research yourself. https://taenk.dk/system/files/2022-01/Whats-that-smell-report-parfume.pdf https://taenk.dk/system/files/2022-01/Whats-that-smell-repor...
- giantg2 1y ago
  There's tons more than this, but here's some high level stuff. The most concerning part is that some of the 4000+ fragrances in use are known and suspected carcinogens. https://health.osu.edu/health/general-health/how-fragrances-affect-health https://health.osu.edu/health/general-health/how-fragrances-...
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FredPret 1y ago
I once worked for a large consumer goods company. We had a conference about scents. We saw a clear correlation between richer consumers and a preference for subtler scents or even no scent. This even applied across countries: third-world consumers liked aggressive floral scents, but in Northern Europe and North America, the scents are way less concentrated and tend to be more toward subtle alpine or linen. All this was 15-20 years ago; today I notice that no soap in my house smells like anything at all.
- amarcheschi 1y ago
  I'm a perfume fan (hobbyist? I don't know how to name it), and I wonder if this still holds. Nowadays, the "luxury" brands such as the Arab ones, and even the "western" European niche catering to the biggest spenders are making a lot of oud fragrances, gourmands, incense perfumes... Basically anything thick, dense, almost syrupy. They don't limit to this, of course, but ouds became much more common in the last years
  - omnimus 1y ago
    Can you recommend some fragrances or a brand that does some contemporary subtle forresty mossy but also is not crazy expensive posh branding endeavour?
    - amarcheschi 1y ago
      I'm not entirely sure I understood your request, something foresty? Not a lot into those, anyway Helan vetiver and rum, don't know if it's available in usa. Has a rum note as well as moss, I've definitely heard people around me saying it smells like forest, to me it's more of a mossy scent Erbolario Periplo, but it's more Mediterranean bushes Dsquared original wood Maybe lalique encre Noire or encre Noire sport I'd suggest to try them before buying them
  - an_aparallel 1y ago
    In Sydney. It has destroyed the olfactory field imo. I cant stand the ambroxan(?)...it smells like IPA on PCP :/
cma 1y ago
> Most products have fragrance free alternatives. That itself is a big change that took a while.
- giantg2 1y ago
  They've been around for a while, but they were harder to find. Even as a kid there was stuff like arm and hammer washing detergent that was scent free. Although now there are at least 5 free and clear choices at the Walmart.

alwa 1y ago

In fact, it was specifically one of those alternatives which was under test here: “a fragrance-free body lotion containing linoleic acid (Neutral, Unilever body lotion for sensitive skin; 0% colorants and 0% perfume)” Sounds like they blame the phenoxyethanol? Which serves a preservative kind of role?

giantg2 1y ago
Yeah, my comment was just to add that scents have so many other issues than just what's in the article.

rowanG077 1y ago

This is the first time I'm hearing they are bad. Could you share some research about this?

amarcheschi 1y ago
At least in the eu there are quite strict rules regulating cosmetics. Hell, lilial in perfumes was banned just to stay safe because they couldn't determine an "average exposure" and went on by banning it in perfumes to reduce what would have been the real exposure, even if it wouldn't have caused issues by being used in perfumes standalone (so not how it's used in cleaning products) They might not be perfect, of course, and they're always improving
- rowanG077 1y ago
  Yes of course, there are a ton of bad substances. But I as not aware of something that is. Ubiquitously used, known bad and not banned in the EU.
  - giantg2 1y ago
    EU is much better than the US for ingredient safety. I'm not sure of the EU stuff specifically, but it looks like there's still some concerns over some perfume ingredients, if not the fragrance itself. You'll probably have to do more research yourself. https://taenk.dk/system/files/2022-01/Whats-that-smell-report-parfume.pdf https://taenk.dk/system/files/2022-01/Whats-that-smell-repor...
giantg2 1y ago
There's tons more than this, but here's some high level stuff. The most concerning part is that some of the 4000+ fragrances in use are known and suspected carcinogens. https://health.osu.edu/health/general-health/how-fragrances-affect-health https://health.osu.edu/health/general-health/how-fragrances-...

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FredPret 1y ago

I once worked for a large consumer goods company. We had a conference about scents. We saw a clear correlation between richer consumers and a preference for subtler scents or even no scent. This even applied across countries: third-world consumers liked aggressive floral scents, but in Northern Europe and North America, the scents are way less concentrated and tend to be more toward subtle alpine or linen. All this was 15-20 years ago; today I notice that no soap in my house smells like anything at all.

amarcheschi 1y ago
I'm a perfume fan (hobbyist? I don't know how to name it), and I wonder if this still holds. Nowadays, the "luxury" brands such as the Arab ones, and even the "western" European niche catering to the biggest spenders are making a lot of oud fragrances, gourmands, incense perfumes... Basically anything thick, dense, almost syrupy. They don't limit to this, of course, but ouds became much more common in the last years
- omnimus 1y ago
  Can you recommend some fragrances or a brand that does some contemporary subtle forresty mossy but also is not crazy expensive posh branding endeavour?
  - amarcheschi 1y ago
    I'm not entirely sure I understood your request, something foresty? Not a lot into those, anyway Helan vetiver and rum, don't know if it's available in usa. Has a rum note as well as moss, I've definitely heard people around me saying it smells like forest, to me it's more of a mossy scent Erbolario Periplo, but it's more Mediterranean bushes Dsquared original wood Maybe lalique encre Noire or encre Noire sport I'd suggest to try them before buying them
- an_aparallel 1y ago
  In Sydney. It has destroyed the olfactory field imo. I cant stand the ambroxan(?)...it smells like IPA on PCP :/

cma 1y ago

> Most products have fragrance free alternatives. That itself is a big change that took a while.

giantg2 1y ago
They've been around for a while, but they were harder to find. Even as a kid there was stuff like arm and hammer washing detergent that was scent free. Although now there are at least 5 free and clear choices at the Walmart.