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I'm not denying your chosen cherry picked example, but at what level is that biased by looking to support an argument? Most triathlons are probably won by men

by rob_c 1y ago

I'm not denying your chosen cherry picked example, but at what level is that biased by looking to support an argument? Most triathlons are probably won by men and global exploratory voyages were first accomplished by men... Not saying your wrong I'm asking what I'm missing?

MangoToupe 1y ago
> global exploratory voyages were first accomplished by men... This assumption seems strange. How do you think polynesians spread without both men and women? If you're referring to the european age of exploration, they weren't rowing much at that point, rendering sex mostly irrelevant.
- rob_c 1y ago
  Ok I'll add the word solo which I interpreted based on prior comment but was context lost. But my question stands.
- bluGill 1y ago
  once they get there they go back and return with women would be a reasonable guess. All a guess though as AFAIK we have no idea why they left or who was on the initial trips, only that eventually they made it
  - MangoToupe 1y ago
    > once they get there they go back and return with women would be a reasonable guess. Off-hand this seems like it'd require twice the time, resources, and risk. Without some strong theory as to why an all-male boat would be particularly useful (but not necessary on the return trip), occam's razor suggests to me that this is a much less likely theory. FWIW, the oral history does indicate both men and women were part of at least the initial settling of new zealand by polynesians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupe. Even if this is entirely mythical, it does speak to the cultural understanding of settling.
    - bluGill 1y ago
      The all male boat sounds like 'young men' going on an adventure (possibly solo, possibly as a right of passage). They were not settlers, just exploring because it is fun. When they for whatever reason decide to leave with family they know where to go and what is needed. we of course wouldn't have exidence if that happened as cultures change. Whatever caused a desire to settle would change culture.

by rob_c 1y ago

MangoToupe 1y ago

> global exploratory voyages were first accomplished by men... This assumption seems strange. How do you think polynesians spread without both men and women? If you're referring to the european age of exploration, they weren't rowing much at that point, rendering sex mostly irrelevant.

rob_c 1y ago
Ok I'll add the word solo which I interpreted based on prior comment but was context lost. But my question stands.
bluGill 1y ago
once they get there they go back and return with women would be a reasonable guess. All a guess though as AFAIK we have no idea why they left or who was on the initial trips, only that eventually they made it
- MangoToupe 1y ago
  > once they get there they go back and return with women would be a reasonable guess. Off-hand this seems like it'd require twice the time, resources, and risk. Without some strong theory as to why an all-male boat would be particularly useful (but not necessary on the return trip), occam's razor suggests to me that this is a much less likely theory. FWIW, the oral history does indicate both men and women were part of at least the initial settling of new zealand by polynesians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kupe. Even if this is entirely mythical, it does speak to the cultural understanding of settling.
  - bluGill 1y ago
    The all male boat sounds like 'young men' going on an adventure (possibly solo, possibly as a right of passage). They were not settlers, just exploring because it is fun. When they for whatever reason decide to leave with family they know where to go and what is needed. we of course wouldn't have exidence if that happened as cultures change. Whatever caused a desire to settle would change culture.