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You described any regular workplace. You are not supposed to find joy in work. Work is something that you do so you can afford to find joy elsewhere.

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hshshshshsh 1y ago
But isn't that a bad way to live life? Spending the best years of life working a job that you don't like so that you get weekends free?
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  Starving is worse. Try to find a job that is tolerable and devote your free time to things that make you happy - family, friends, hobbies, etc
  - rewgs 1y ago
    You're both not wrong. What @surgical_fire is describing is the "minimum viable product" for a career. It's the thing that serves the basics on Maslow's Hierarchy. What @hshshshshsh is describing is anything past that. We briefly exist sandwiched between two eternities -- shouldn't we care about the quality of our time during the thing that takes up the largest quantity of our time? The problem is that, the issue that @hshshshshsh is pointing out is precisely what makes the minimum @surgical_fire is describing damn near impossible to find. Because no one gives a shit about users, values, mission, etc, the company suffers and turns into a shit-show, incentivizing people to become more selfish so that they don't get sucked into the vortex of shit. In order to reach the minimum of a "tolerable" job that doesn't suck up all your free time or make your time there a living hell, the company _must_ engage with at least some of what @hshshshshsh is describing. This requires some amount of good faith from the majority involved. This is a tricky and fragile thing. It's easy to lose. And thus the cycle begins anew. Ultimately, we need more people thinking like @hshshshshsh so that we can get what @surgical_fire is describing.
    - hshshshshsh 1y ago
      You should consider doing standup comedy. That made me smile.
mpalmer 1y ago
You're not supposed to do anything. Why on earth would you discourage someone from finding joy in their work? It's possible.
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  > Why on earth would you discourage someone from finding joy in their work? For the same reason I discourage people believing in Santa Claus or in the Easter Bunny Finding joy in their work is a cute idea. But it is cute and false, believing in it will lead to nothing but frustration and lower income.
  - mpalmer 1y ago
    I'm sure believing that helps you if that's been your own experience. But it's demonstrably possible, at least for people for are not you. Like, are you reading "find joy" as "find a job doing what you already love"? Those are different things. This affectation of weary cynicism is so easy and popular. I'm over it.
    - surgical_fire 1y ago
      > Like, are you reading "find joy" as "find a job doing what you already love"? Absolutely not. Work with what you love, and you will never love anything again.

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hshshshshsh 1y ago

But isn't that a bad way to live life? Spending the best years of life working a job that you don't like so that you get weekends free?

surgical_fire 1y ago
Starving is worse. Try to find a job that is tolerable and devote your free time to things that make you happy - family, friends, hobbies, etc
- rewgs 1y ago
  You're both not wrong. What @surgical_fire is describing is the "minimum viable product" for a career. It's the thing that serves the basics on Maslow's Hierarchy. What @hshshshshsh is describing is anything past that. We briefly exist sandwiched between two eternities -- shouldn't we care about the quality of our time during the thing that takes up the largest quantity of our time? The problem is that, the issue that @hshshshshsh is pointing out is precisely what makes the minimum @surgical_fire is describing damn near impossible to find. Because no one gives a shit about users, values, mission, etc, the company suffers and turns into a shit-show, incentivizing people to become more selfish so that they don't get sucked into the vortex of shit. In order to reach the minimum of a "tolerable" job that doesn't suck up all your free time or make your time there a living hell, the company _must_ engage with at least some of what @hshshshshsh is describing. This requires some amount of good faith from the majority involved. This is a tricky and fragile thing. It's easy to lose. And thus the cycle begins anew. Ultimately, we need more people thinking like @hshshshshsh so that we can get what @surgical_fire is describing.
  - hshshshshsh 1y ago
    You should consider doing standup comedy. That made me smile.

mpalmer 1y ago

You're not supposed to do anything. Why on earth would you discourage someone from finding joy in their work? It's possible.

surgical_fire 1y ago
> Why on earth would you discourage someone from finding joy in their work? For the same reason I discourage people believing in Santa Claus or in the Easter Bunny Finding joy in their work is a cute idea. But it is cute and false, believing in it will lead to nothing but frustration and lower income.
- mpalmer 1y ago
  I'm sure believing that helps you if that's been your own experience. But it's demonstrably possible, at least for people for are not you. Like, are you reading "find joy" as "find a job doing what you already love"? Those are different things. This affectation of weary cynicism is so easy and popular. I'm over it.
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    > Like, are you reading "find joy" as "find a job doing what you already love"? Absolutely not. Work with what you love, and you will never love anything again.