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Practicality always win. People will eventually get sick of a hip product which is difficult to use and if it is also cheaper? That's even better.

dzhiurgis 1y ago
What practical advantage does RAV4 have? Incredibly high cost of maintenance? Terrible driving performance? Lack of air filtration? Inconvenience of pumping toxic cancer liquid in gas stations? Horrible entertainment system?
- general1726 1y ago
  Missing indicator stalks - only somebody who have never driven a car could come with indicator buttons Missing wiper stalks - am I really supposed to search for a wiper enable somewhere on a screen while I am driving and can't see in sudden rain? Missing transmission control - Any kind of Y turn now needs a display to switch from R to D. Driving performance is incredibly subjective and I would not throw these stones while driving Tesla with stiff suspension feeling every pothole in my butt. Every car has air filtration, most of them can filter our pollen no problem. One could say that Tesla has horrible entertainment system when one can't even connect his phone through Android Auto / Apple CarPlay.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    Literally all of these are features that people love about Tesla's while CarPlay is terrible. Pollen filter is nowhere near the efficacy of HEPA filters.
    - general1726 1y ago
      Missing stalks so car is unusable on roundabouts? Using screen to get wipers working? I think that your opinion might be skewed by social bubble you live in, however sales numbers are telling a different story
      - dzhiurgis 1y ago
        > Missing stalks so car is unusable on roundabouts No one really complains about it. If anything people would never go back to stalks. > Using screen to get wipers working IIRC buttons on steering wheel. > I think that your opinion might be skewed by social bubble you live in I think that's you tho. > sales numbers are telling a different story RAV4 toppled Tesla by like 9000 cars, mostly due MY being refreshed. Toyota will be continue to be destroyed by Tesla and Chinese EVs, IMO too slowly tho.
- tim333 1y ago
  It seems the current version is a plug in hybrid which has always seemed a good solution to me. The cheapness and eco friendliness of electric for daily use but not risking running out of charge on a longer journey. Reading reviews of journalist switching to electric cars it often seems to go ok until they are stranded at midnight with no power and screaming kids because some charger was out of operation and they say that's it and return to petrol.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    PHEVs are worst of both worlds - terrible performance, high maintenance cost. You are 100% sure to replace its battery in cars lifetime, likely multiple times at cost close to Tesla's total battery replacement. Likelihood of replacing Tesla's battery - less than 1%. And sure PHEVs do have their use cases - living somewhere where no charge infrastructure exists AND hauling huge loads over long distances - sure! But that use case is like less than 1% for family SUV (and perhaps less than 10% for truck). Getting stranded with no power and screaming kids can happen with petrol too, it has nothing to do with technology.

dzhiurgis 1y ago

What practical advantage does RAV4 have? Incredibly high cost of maintenance? Terrible driving performance? Lack of air filtration? Inconvenience of pumping toxic cancer liquid in gas stations? Horrible entertainment system?

general1726 1y ago
Missing indicator stalks - only somebody who have never driven a car could come with indicator buttons Missing wiper stalks - am I really supposed to search for a wiper enable somewhere on a screen while I am driving and can't see in sudden rain? Missing transmission control - Any kind of Y turn now needs a display to switch from R to D. Driving performance is incredibly subjective and I would not throw these stones while driving Tesla with stiff suspension feeling every pothole in my butt. Every car has air filtration, most of them can filter our pollen no problem. One could say that Tesla has horrible entertainment system when one can't even connect his phone through Android Auto / Apple CarPlay.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  Literally all of these are features that people love about Tesla's while CarPlay is terrible. Pollen filter is nowhere near the efficacy of HEPA filters.
  - general1726 1y ago
    Missing stalks so car is unusable on roundabouts? Using screen to get wipers working? I think that your opinion might be skewed by social bubble you live in, however sales numbers are telling a different story
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      > Missing stalks so car is unusable on roundabouts No one really complains about it. If anything people would never go back to stalks. > Using screen to get wipers working IIRC buttons on steering wheel. > I think that your opinion might be skewed by social bubble you live in I think that's you tho. > sales numbers are telling a different story RAV4 toppled Tesla by like 9000 cars, mostly due MY being refreshed. Toyota will be continue to be destroyed by Tesla and Chinese EVs, IMO too slowly tho.
tim333 1y ago
It seems the current version is a plug in hybrid which has always seemed a good solution to me. The cheapness and eco friendliness of electric for daily use but not risking running out of charge on a longer journey. Reading reviews of journalist switching to electric cars it often seems to go ok until they are stranded at midnight with no power and screaming kids because some charger was out of operation and they say that's it and return to petrol.
- dzhiurgis 1y ago
  PHEVs are worst of both worlds - terrible performance, high maintenance cost. You are 100% sure to replace its battery in cars lifetime, likely multiple times at cost close to Tesla's total battery replacement. Likelihood of replacing Tesla's battery - less than 1%. And sure PHEVs do have their use cases - living somewhere where no charge infrastructure exists AND hauling huge loads over long distances - sure! But that use case is like less than 1% for family SUV (and perhaps less than 10% for truck). Getting stranded with no power and screaming kids can happen with petrol too, it has nothing to do with technology.