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>See Musk's comments [0] and very obious regarding German politics, the CPAC gathering in Hungary, the ownership of euronews.com, the recent creation of r/europ

>See Musk's comments [0] and very obious regarding German politics, the CPAC gathering in Hungary, the ownership of euronews.com, the recent creation of r/europe_sub... We need to stop being passive about all of this, or democracy will become a historical note, and not something that we all enjoy on a day-to-day basis. What exactly are the actual issues and the solutions you propose other than speech censorship to ban the right wing opinions you dislike? Your post is just reddit style left wing virtue signaling, while not talking about any actual issues the people are having that make them vote right: cost of living, stagnating wages, illegal immigrations, wealth inequality etc. People in EU don't care if a US billionaire Elon makes the Nazi salute in the US, where it's not illegal, when they can't afford to pay rent. It's a non-issue in EU outside the terminally online redditors left wing bubble. >We have all taken democracy for granted, like breathable air. We don't have a democracy when the EU representative, Ursula v.d. Leyen is not democratically elected by the people and whenever the people try to vote for a right wing candidate those candidates get banned/excluded form elections to "protect democracy" which is ironic and is what's causing the disdain of the voters and right wing shift, away from the status quo: people don't feel represented by their leaders and dislike the censorship masquerading as "protection of democracy" happening in Europe.

saubeidl 1y ago
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- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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  - saubeidl 1y ago
    "fascism" isn't a vague term meaning "government does things I don't like". It's a specific right wing ideology not at all related to what I was talking about. > Yes, emphasis on appointed, appointed is not the same as elected. Hence, not democratically elected. Appointed just like the US president or any minister in any democratic government ever. Are those not democratic? > Sorry to break it to you, but then your definition of right wing is super skewed. "She is a member of the centre-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and its affiliated European political party, the European People's Party." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen I think your definition is skewed.
consumer451 1y ago
The comment above embodies everything we need be aware of, and fight against. 10% something factual, 90% repetition of provably disconnected from reality, yet appealing sounding soundbites/memes sent from on high. Zero policy recommendations, one-hundred percent vibes. And since the facts are lacking in the argument, the ad hominem style attack is included for good measure.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  If that's the way you put it, I can say the exact same for your comments. Your pervasive attitude against open discourse, advocating only for "fight against" without having a discussion, is what leads to the animosity of people making them vote right. People are tired of not having a voice and just being censored by liberal keyboard warriors who think they're protecting democracy by implementing speech censorship laws the Nazis and Soviets would dream of, but of course in the name of good. My argument, if you cared to read it, were that EU voters care more about having a well paying job and affording rent than what hand gestures a billionaire does in his own country outside the EU. If you think Elon is bad, you have no idea on what other wealthy and powerful people are like. What arguments did you bring other than advocating towards violence because you didn't like my PoV?
  - consumer451 1y ago
    > People are tired of not having a voice and just being censored left and right by liberal keyboard warriors You are free to speak your mind! If it's not fit for this forum, for whatever reason, please email me at username @ gmail. However, I am sure you could provide us at least some hint about the speech that is being censored by the evil liberals, right? If you chose not to disclose your censored speech, please tell me your policy positions. So far, you have mentioned one that probably everyone agrees with 100%, illegal immigration is bad. However, how do you propose to solve the issue? Masked men coming to courts and schools, like in the USA in 2025, or something different? Next one please, let's get specific. 1. How exactly do you propose to solve the issues in your previously stated problems, for example, wealth inequality? 2. Which political party in the EU country of your choice has a real policy to address that as part of their platform?

saubeidl 1y ago

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FirmwareBurner 1y ago
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- saubeidl 1y ago
  "fascism" isn't a vague term meaning "government does things I don't like". It's a specific right wing ideology not at all related to what I was talking about. > Yes, emphasis on appointed, appointed is not the same as elected. Hence, not democratically elected. Appointed just like the US president or any minister in any democratic government ever. Are those not democratic? > Sorry to break it to you, but then your definition of right wing is super skewed. "She is a member of the centre-right Christian Democratic Union (CDU) and its affiliated European political party, the European People's Party." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ursula_von_der_Leyen I think your definition is skewed.

consumer451 1y ago

The comment above embodies everything we need be aware of, and fight against. 10% something factual, 90% repetition of provably disconnected from reality, yet appealing sounding soundbites/memes sent from on high. Zero policy recommendations, one-hundred percent vibes. And since the facts are lacking in the argument, the ad hominem style attack is included for good measure.

FirmwareBurner 1y ago
If that's the way you put it, I can say the exact same for your comments. Your pervasive attitude against open discourse, advocating only for "fight against" without having a discussion, is what leads to the animosity of people making them vote right. People are tired of not having a voice and just being censored by liberal keyboard warriors who think they're protecting democracy by implementing speech censorship laws the Nazis and Soviets would dream of, but of course in the name of good. My argument, if you cared to read it, were that EU voters care more about having a well paying job and affording rent than what hand gestures a billionaire does in his own country outside the EU. If you think Elon is bad, you have no idea on what other wealthy and powerful people are like. What arguments did you bring other than advocating towards violence because you didn't like my PoV?
- consumer451 1y ago
  > People are tired of not having a voice and just being censored left and right by liberal keyboard warriors You are free to speak your mind! If it's not fit for this forum, for whatever reason, please email me at username @ gmail. However, I am sure you could provide us at least some hint about the speech that is being censored by the evil liberals, right? If you chose not to disclose your censored speech, please tell me your policy positions. So far, you have mentioned one that probably everyone agrees with 100%, illegal immigration is bad. However, how do you propose to solve the issue? Masked men coming to courts and schools, like in the USA in 2025, or something different? Next one please, let's get specific. 1. How exactly do you propose to solve the issues in your previously stated problems, for example, wealth inequality? 2. Which political party in the EU country of your choice has a real policy to address that as part of their platform?