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A graph whose data ends in 2018 isn't strong evidence for "they aren't plummeting." That said, doing some searches for newer information (e.g., https://www.bus

A graph whose data ends in 2018 isn't strong evidence for "they aren't plummeting." That said, doing some searches for newer information (e.g., https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/ https://www.businessofapps.com/data/apple-statistics/) suggests that iPhone sales aren't plummeting but are instead rather stable. (Although I wonder how much of that is services attributed to iPhone as opposed to solely the sales revenue from iPhone, the source doesn't make that clear).

WrongAssumption 1y ago
How does the source not make it clear? The first two bullets from your source. “Apple generated $390.8 billion revenue in 2024, 51% came from iPhone sales Apple Services is the second largest division, responsible for 24% of revenue in 2024”
- AlecSchueler 1y ago
  Do either of those facts point to increases in iPhone sales?
  - ceejayoz 1y ago
    The second source’s first paragraph says “with total sales expected to surpass previous records” for 2023, at least.
    - somenameforme 1y ago
      Sales are accounted for in $ terms, not units sold. It's the same thing with Hollywood. You might think movies are more popular than ever thanks to record breaking sales (pre-COVID at least). In reality, we reached peak movie, in terms of tickets sold, in 2002! [1] Back to iPhones, this [2] page shows their stats by units sold (about half way down). iPhone is essentially treading water if those data are correct (with a peak in 2015 overcome twice since, but by ~1% each time), but I strongly suspect that that's showing units shipped and not units sold, as iPhone sales declining has been universally reported. [1] - https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ [2] - https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/ https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/
      - carlosjobim 1y ago
        Ask yourself the question of what it means when a company makes more dollars from a product while not increasing the number of units sold. It's completely obvious if you think about it for a moment.
brookst 1y ago
No services are attributed to iPhone. It’s a different category, reported separately. No conspiratorial thinking on easily-checked assertions please.
scarface_74 1y ago
Well, since you can actually look at Apple’s quarterly report where they break down revenue from iPhones and services separately…

WrongAssumption 1y ago

How does the source not make it clear? The first two bullets from your source. “Apple generated $390.8 billion revenue in 2024, 51% came from iPhone sales Apple Services is the second largest division, responsible for 24% of revenue in 2024”

AlecSchueler 1y ago
Do either of those facts point to increases in iPhone sales?
- ceejayoz 1y ago
  The second source’s first paragraph says “with total sales expected to surpass previous records” for 2023, at least.
  - somenameforme 1y ago
    Sales are accounted for in $ terms, not units sold. It's the same thing with Hollywood. You might think movies are more popular than ever thanks to record breaking sales (pre-COVID at least). In reality, we reached peak movie, in terms of tickets sold, in 2002! [1] Back to iPhones, this [2] page shows their stats by units sold (about half way down). iPhone is essentially treading water if those data are correct (with a peak in 2015 overcome twice since, but by ~1% each time), but I strongly suspect that that's showing units shipped and not units sold, as iPhone sales declining has been universally reported. [1] - https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ https://www.the-numbers.com/market/ [2] - https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/ https://www.demandsage.com/iphone-user-statistics/
    - carlosjobim 1y ago
      Ask yourself the question of what it means when a company makes more dollars from a product while not increasing the number of units sold. It's completely obvious if you think about it for a moment.

brookst 1y ago

No services are attributed to iPhone. It’s a different category, reported separately. No conspiratorial thinking on easily-checked assertions please.

scarface_74 1y ago

Well, since you can actually look at Apple’s quarterly report where they break down revenue from iPhones and services separately…