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My almost 5 year old iPhone 12 does all of this. No issues, no pull towards upgrading except for USB-C.

ta1243 1y ago
Not sure why I'd want USB-C and then have to spend a fortune to replace all my existing charger leads with the highly unreliable USB-C ecosystem.
- Fade_Dance 1y ago
  Frankly, you might as well. It's an inevitability that you'll have to do that. If you're talking about charging a phone, the usb-c ecosystem is literally never going to give you even a single instance of annoyance. If you're talking about lightning and laptop sized power delivery then, yes the cables need better labeling, but all of those cables are going to work for charging a phone.
  - ta1243 1y ago
    I have several USB-C chargers and cables, some of which work to charge my headphones, some of which don't. How they managed to convert the simplicity and reliability of 20 years of USB-A into this mess is anyones guess.
- Spunkie 1y ago
  With USB-C you don't actually have to pay the apple tax on cords or chargers, so in no way should it "cost a fortune".
  - ta1243 1y ago
    I was in my local store on Friday looking for a new torch and had a quick browse of the chargers. USB-C cables were more expensive than lightning.
    - TheBicPen 1y ago
      That's supply and demand I suppose. As demand for lightning dwindles due to a decreasing number of people actively using devices with lightning ports, the price will tend to drop. That's not an invalid reason to prefer lightning over USB-C, but it's not sustainable. Production of lightning accessories is probably at or near 0 at this point so the oversupply will not last forever. Enjoy the deals while you can!
      - ta1243 1y ago
        The cables tend to cost the same, way more than the cost of manufacture. If you're buying them in bulk on amazon, usb-c is still more expensive than lightning, but the vast majority of people tend to buy cables when they have either lost, forgotten, or broken their existing cables. Go to a shop at an airport or train station and they'll charge you £20 for a cable, and people but them. The "apple tax" is irrelevant to the actual amount paid.
- simonklitj 1y ago
  My PS5, iPad, MacBook, Kindle all use USB-C. It sure would be nice to have just one charger.
  - ta1243 1y ago
    My ipad uses ligtning, my kindle uses usb-mini, as does almost every other rechargable thing I have, from torches to portable fans. My headphones are USB-C and by far the most unreliable. The switch uses USB-C too, but that sits in its dock. My laptop will use USB-C, but only for some combinations of cables and chargers. If USB-C was as reliable and dependable as USB-A I wouldn't have a problem.
    - BlueTemplar 1y ago
      Wasn't USB-A unreliable too in it's first years ?

Not sure why I'd want USB-C and then have to spend a fortune to replace all my existing charger leads with the highly unreliable USB-C ecosystem.

Fade_Dance 1y ago
Frankly, you might as well. It's an inevitability that you'll have to do that. If you're talking about charging a phone, the usb-c ecosystem is literally never going to give you even a single instance of annoyance. If you're talking about lightning and laptop sized power delivery then, yes the cables need better labeling, but all of those cables are going to work for charging a phone.
- ta1243 1y ago
  I have several USB-C chargers and cables, some of which work to charge my headphones, some of which don't. How they managed to convert the simplicity and reliability of 20 years of USB-A into this mess is anyones guess.
Spunkie 1y ago
With USB-C you don't actually have to pay the apple tax on cords or chargers, so in no way should it "cost a fortune".
- ta1243 1y ago
  I was in my local store on Friday looking for a new torch and had a quick browse of the chargers. USB-C cables were more expensive than lightning.
  - TheBicPen 1y ago
    That's supply and demand I suppose. As demand for lightning dwindles due to a decreasing number of people actively using devices with lightning ports, the price will tend to drop. That's not an invalid reason to prefer lightning over USB-C, but it's not sustainable. Production of lightning accessories is probably at or near 0 at this point so the oversupply will not last forever. Enjoy the deals while you can!
    - ta1243 1y ago
      The cables tend to cost the same, way more than the cost of manufacture. If you're buying them in bulk on amazon, usb-c is still more expensive than lightning, but the vast majority of people tend to buy cables when they have either lost, forgotten, or broken their existing cables. Go to a shop at an airport or train station and they'll charge you £20 for a cable, and people but them. The "apple tax" is irrelevant to the actual amount paid.
simonklitj 1y ago
My PS5, iPad, MacBook, Kindle all use USB-C. It sure would be nice to have just one charger.
- ta1243 1y ago
  My ipad uses ligtning, my kindle uses usb-mini, as does almost every other rechargable thing I have, from torches to portable fans. My headphones are USB-C and by far the most unreliable. The switch uses USB-C too, but that sits in its dock. My laptop will use USB-C, but only for some combinations of cables and chargers. If USB-C was as reliable and dependable as USB-A I wouldn't have a problem.
  - BlueTemplar 1y ago
    Wasn't USB-A unreliable too in it's first years ?