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True, but Europe does show a decline in crime in a time period corresponding to the banning of leaded gasoline. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/

True, but Europe does show a decline in crime in a time period corresponding to the banning of leaded gasoline. https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-lead-crime-roundup-for-2018/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2018/02/an-updated-le... https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/violent-crime-peaked-britain-2006-because/ https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2017/02/violent-crime...

firesteelrain 1y ago
Not everyone agrees that lead did cause a drop in violence. It’s one theory
- hackyhacky 1y ago
  > Not everyone agrees that lead did cause a drop in violence. It’s one theory Obviously. That's what we're discussing. I am simply presenting evidence to contradict the GP comment, which claims (falsely) that Europe did not see a drop in crime similar to the US's. The fact that Europe did see a drop a crime is not conclusive evidence of the lead-crime theory, but it leaves that possibility open. If you have another theory, you are welcome to share it.
  - firesteelrain 1y ago
    Not completely ruling lead out. The decline in crime across both the US and Europe does align with the phaseout of lead. Other things were happening at the same time such as changes in policing, incarceration, economic conditions, and access to mental health care. It is hard to know how much each carries in weight.
jama211 1y ago
Why are any of you even arguing about this? The article itself doesn’t even agree lead played a role. It’s like everyone in here just read the headline only.
- hackyhacky 1y ago
  Because there is a lot of evidence from other sources strongly suggesting that lead does play a role.
  - jama211 1y ago
    I don’t know about the use of the word strongly, it’s one theory that is so very far from being considered fact by the scientific community at this point in time that “strongly” seems disingenuous. Regardless, it’s a weird effect of articles where even a negative article can cause positive belief. I.e. an article debunking a myth can sometimes spread the misinformation of the myth, because some people will go from no opinion on it to disagreeing with the article’s conclusion. Common with articles debunking conspiracies. I feel like I could be watching this in real time ;)

firesteelrain 1y ago

Not everyone agrees that lead did cause a drop in violence. It’s one theory

hackyhacky 1y ago
> Not everyone agrees that lead did cause a drop in violence. It’s one theory Obviously. That's what we're discussing. I am simply presenting evidence to contradict the GP comment, which claims (falsely) that Europe did not see a drop in crime similar to the US's. The fact that Europe did see a drop a crime is not conclusive evidence of the lead-crime theory, but it leaves that possibility open. If you have another theory, you are welcome to share it.
- firesteelrain 1y ago
  Not completely ruling lead out. The decline in crime across both the US and Europe does align with the phaseout of lead. Other things were happening at the same time such as changes in policing, incarceration, economic conditions, and access to mental health care. It is hard to know how much each carries in weight.

jama211 1y ago

Why are any of you even arguing about this? The article itself doesn’t even agree lead played a role. It’s like everyone in here just read the headline only.

hackyhacky 1y ago
Because there is a lot of evidence from other sources strongly suggesting that lead does play a role.
- jama211 1y ago
  I don’t know about the use of the word strongly, it’s one theory that is so very far from being considered fact by the scientific community at this point in time that “strongly” seems disingenuous. Regardless, it’s a weird effect of articles where even a negative article can cause positive belief. I.e. an article debunking a myth can sometimes spread the misinformation of the myth, because some people will go from no opinion on it to disagreeing with the article’s conclusion. Common with articles debunking conspiracies. I feel like I could be watching this in real time ;)