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China hasn't been in any war since early 1980s. My country (USA) decided to warmonger even more just last week. And we side with a genocidal country hell-bent

China hasn't been in any war since early 1980s. My country (USA) decided to warmonger even more just last week. And we side with a genocidal country hell-bent on middle eastern occupation. And China's the wrong one here? Not buying it.

9337throwaway 1y ago
It's not a bad idea to be slightly suspicious of a county that's quite willing to stave millions of its own people to death and call it a "great leap".
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- rbanffy 1y ago
  It's an excellent idea to be suspicious of a country that starves 13% of their population because "capitalism". https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic...
  - disattention 1y ago
    In what way is food insecurity comparable to death by starvation?
    - rbanffy 1y ago
      Why would a country allow food insecurity? How does it benefit the population? I’d also be suspicious of a developed country without universal healthcare. Why would they subject their own population to avoidable disease? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2831735 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/articl...
bobs_salsa 1y ago
Not disagreeing on the above, I agree quite strongly in fact. It’s important we are critical of our own tribes. Your final question though is maybe worth a challenge. Why can’t both sides be in the wrong? I always find we are quick to make a problem quite polar without accepting the grey mush in between. In this case, China has similarly also demonstrated its far reaching and abusive capabilities when given the opportunity (my thoughts around belt-and-road, Tibet, Uighurs and its own treatment of its people in its past). Your point on china not being in a war is also one that can be challenged, proxy wars have and continue to be a thing. China has played their part and continue contributing to active conflicts.
- Gathering6678 1y ago
  "Why can’t both sides be in the wrong?" I would like to upvote simply because of this sentence. Yes. And stepping away from right or wrong judgements for a moment, I think it is clear that banning space tech really didn't work out, and banning semiconductor tech probably wouldn't, either.
based2 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(1979%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(197...
stogot 1y ago
Hindsight is the wrong view here. They publicly stated they will take back Taiwan with force, and they’ve been preparing for it and running exercises to practice it. It’s going to happen in the next few years Meanwhile they will have their own genocides and human rights abuses https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932

9337throwaway 1y ago

It's not a bad idea to be slightly suspicious of a county that's quite willing to stave millions of its own people to death and call it a "great leap".

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rbanffy 1y ago
It's an excellent idea to be suspicious of a country that starves 13% of their population because "capitalism". https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistics-charting-the-essentials/food-security-and-nutrition-assistance https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/ag-and-food-statistic...
- disattention 1y ago
  In what way is food insecurity comparable to death by starvation?
  - rbanffy 1y ago
    Why would a country allow food insecurity? How does it benefit the population? I’d also be suspicious of a developed country without universal healthcare. Why would they subject their own population to avoidable disease? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/article-abstract/2831735 https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/articl...

bobs_salsa 1y ago

Not disagreeing on the above, I agree quite strongly in fact. It’s important we are critical of our own tribes. Your final question though is maybe worth a challenge. Why can’t both sides be in the wrong? I always find we are quick to make a problem quite polar without accepting the grey mush in between. In this case, China has similarly also demonstrated its far reaching and abusive capabilities when given the opportunity (my thoughts around belt-and-road, Tibet, Uighurs and its own treatment of its people in its past). Your point on china not being in a war is also one that can be challenged, proxy wars have and continue to be a thing. China has played their part and continue contributing to active conflicts.

Gathering6678 1y ago
"Why can’t both sides be in the wrong?" I would like to upvote simply because of this sentence. Yes. And stepping away from right or wrong judgements for a moment, I think it is clear that banning space tech really didn't work out, and banning semiconductor tech probably wouldn't, either.

based2 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(1979%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_conflicts_(197...

stogot 1y ago

Hindsight is the wrong view here. They publicly stated they will take back Taiwan with force, and they’ve been preparing for it and running exercises to practice it. It’s going to happen in the next few years Meanwhile they will have their own genocides and human rights abuses https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932 https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/08/1125932