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You mean the only country that has 800+ military bases around the world, and has started a never ending series of 'regime change' wars and proxy wars, is the o
by PeterStuer 1y ago
You mean the only country that has 800+ military bases around the world, and has started a never ending series of 'regime change' wars and proxy wars, is the only country to have used nukes, that has a military larger than the rest of the planet combined, and an extreme domestic mass shooting problem seen nowhere else, somehow still managed to have 1000x less 10+ kills than Europe?
- firesteelrain 1y agoThe conversation was about serial killers and individual level violence, not military actions or geopolitical power.
- PeterStuer 1y agoThe parent for this response was specifically about state sactioned, military or otherwise, killings.
- firesteelrain 1y agoSlightly. I think you are misreading the parent. Parent is saying that serial killers had a legal outlet to operate in. Then, you went a completely different direction with military level operations which parent isn’t talking about. Parent is arguing that in those communist or facist governments that they basically had state sanctioned serial killers and psychopaths
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y agoParent is saying that serial killers and psychopaths had a legal outlet to operate in, but only In Europe uniquely Which is quite a thing to claim. It's nuts.
- ltbarcly3 1y agoEurope is quite unique in the scale of mass murder and secret police killings. Besides China, Europe dominates the statistics by two orders of magnitude.
- firesteelrain 1y agoSideburns is arguing that it’s not just Europe. Not sure how far we take this back. Do we go back to the Huns? Anyways what we are all talking about is like a Ted Bundy or Jeffrey Dahmer. Not Nazi’s
- ltbarcly3 1y agoSo your argument is that sadistic sexual assults and murder are "different" when they happen in a camp vs a basement? Got it.
- firesteelrain 1y agoThat’s a clever soundbite, but it sidesteps the actual point: personal pathology and systemic violence aren’t the same thing. We don’t study Ted Bundy and Auschwitz guards in the same criminal justice textbooks for a reason. If you blur those lines, all you're doing is flattening history into a meme and not understanding it.
- ltbarcly3 1y agoTextbooks are split for largely arbitrary reasons and convenience. Ted Bundy shared characteristics with many high ranking Gestapo leaders.
- firesteelrain 1y agoBundy may have shared traits with sadistic figures in regimes, but the systems enabling their violence weren’t the same. One acted independently, driven by compulsion. The others operated within state machinery built to normalize and industrialize killing. Lumping them together ignores scale, motive, and structure.
- ltbarcly3 1y agoEurope's high self image is based on a shell game. Step 1: Commit horrific atrocities. Step 2: Declare that you are now a new country (with the same people), so you stop counting the atrocities against yourself. See how it works? Germany tried to genocide half the population of Earth, the US stops them and builds a bunch of bases in Germany so they don't try that again, and now that is evidence of US abuse and aggression. It's not THAT Germany anymore, the one that did the crimes and has to be occupied to make sure they don't try to stuff every brown child on earth into a brick oven, it's Germany, the great country that is totally innocent. It's not the GB that kept half of the world's population under it's thumb to brutally extract resources and become rich, it's GB the cute country with the Queen. All the crimes have to be ignored and don't count anymore because you have free healthcare (or something). Anyway, you completely miss the point. When the Gestapo was stuffing people into ovens, they were also running Joy Divisions. Guess what kind of guys were signing up to run these bases? In a real civilization these are the kinds of guys who show up in police statistics as serial killers.