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Cannabis is also a potent psychedelic, and its association with psychosis is well established. (Not to condemn psychedelics, I just think the pendulum has swun

by andai 1y ago

Cannabis is also a potent psychedelic, and its association with psychosis is well established. (Not to condemn psychedelics, I just think the pendulum has swung a bit too far in the "it's totally harmless" direction.) Could you elaborate on The Game? What did she say about this?

dsego 1y ago
As someone who has a person with psychosis in my family, I don't think you can find any interesting insights from the details of their delusions. It's like dissecting dreams or AI slop, there is no hidden meaning behind it. Usually best not to discuss it.
kayodelycaon 1y ago
As someone who has had psychotic breaks, you aren’t going to learn anything from what was going on in their head.
- suzzer99 1y ago
  100% agree with this. It's not rational in any way. From the period of time when she was still talking to us at least, there's no reasoning with it.
dialup_sounds 1y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_and_delusions_of_reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_and_delusions_of_referen...
mike_hearn 1y ago
> Cannabis is also a potent psychedelic, and its association with psychosis is well established. It's really fascinating to read this, because Alex Berenson has been beating this drum for a while now and he claims the psychosis risk has been downplayed or even denied. It's easy to find evidence supporting his take because if you just search Google for [cannabis legalization psychosis] you get a big pile of papers like this one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36696111 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36696111 "Abstract: Psychosis is a hypothesized consequence of cannabis use. Legalization of cannabis could therefore be associated with an increase in rates of health care utilization for psychosis [...] states with legalization policies experienced no statistically significant increase in rates of psychosis-related diagnoses" That's from 2023. So apparently it's not that well established? Or if it's well established, there's a lot of researchers denying it.
greenaccountpun 1y ago
I've used cannabis a handful of times. The first was a bong hit, and I felt a little funny. The second was a bong hit and I was seeing a light show half an hour later. The third was a bong hit and I got paranoia and dry mouth. The fourth was one square of THC chocolate and I felt a little funny and relaxed. The last time was two squares of chocolate. I was out for the evening with visual and auditory hallucinations. I realize modern preparations are stronger, but the amount is too low, the dosage difference between relaxed and out there is too small, and after doing some research, it sounds like this is a sign I'm either more prone to schizophrenia, it could trigger it, or increase my likelihood of getting it, so the slightly relaxing high isn't worth it.
- rwyinuse 1y ago
  Yeah, it's not worth the risk. When I tried the stuff, I first felt absolutely nothing. Then I took some more, and a couple of minutes later I had a full-blown panic attack, probably some hallucinations too. My brain felt a bit weird/slow a day or two after that. Only later I found out that a deceased close relative of mine had schizophrenia. That killed any remaining interest I might have had towards the substance.
dyauspitr 1y ago
You can definitely get fried on cannabis but you have to do it a lot, like multiple times a week for a while. In my mid twenties I smoked all day everyday for years and in my case it definitely left me paranoid and agoraphobic. That was more than a decade ago and I haven’t really smoked much pot since then (maybe once a year) and you end up making a full recovery after about 6 months to a year of no usage.

by andai 1y ago

dsego 1y ago

As someone who has a person with psychosis in my family, I don't think you can find any interesting insights from the details of their delusions. It's like dissecting dreams or AI slop, there is no hidden meaning behind it. Usually best not to discuss it.

kayodelycaon 1y ago

As someone who has had psychotic breaks, you aren’t going to learn anything from what was going on in their head.

suzzer99 1y ago
100% agree with this. It's not rational in any way. From the period of time when she was still talking to us at least, there's no reasoning with it.

dialup_sounds 1y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_and_delusions_of_reference https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideas_and_delusions_of_referen...

mike_hearn 1y ago

> Cannabis is also a potent psychedelic, and its association with psychosis is well established. It's really fascinating to read this, because Alex Berenson has been beating this drum for a while now and he claims the psychosis risk has been downplayed or even denied. It's easy to find evidence supporting his take because if you just search Google for [cannabis legalization psychosis] you get a big pile of papers like this one: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36696111 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36696111 "Abstract: Psychosis is a hypothesized consequence of cannabis use. Legalization of cannabis could therefore be associated with an increase in rates of health care utilization for psychosis [...] states with legalization policies experienced no statistically significant increase in rates of psychosis-related diagnoses" That's from 2023. So apparently it's not that well established? Or if it's well established, there's a lot of researchers denying it.

greenaccountpun 1y ago

I've used cannabis a handful of times. The first was a bong hit, and I felt a little funny. The second was a bong hit and I was seeing a light show half an hour later. The third was a bong hit and I got paranoia and dry mouth. The fourth was one square of THC chocolate and I felt a little funny and relaxed. The last time was two squares of chocolate. I was out for the evening with visual and auditory hallucinations. I realize modern preparations are stronger, but the amount is too low, the dosage difference between relaxed and out there is too small, and after doing some research, it sounds like this is a sign I'm either more prone to schizophrenia, it could trigger it, or increase my likelihood of getting it, so the slightly relaxing high isn't worth it.

rwyinuse 1y ago
Yeah, it's not worth the risk. When I tried the stuff, I first felt absolutely nothing. Then I took some more, and a couple of minutes later I had a full-blown panic attack, probably some hallucinations too. My brain felt a bit weird/slow a day or two after that. Only later I found out that a deceased close relative of mine had schizophrenia. That killed any remaining interest I might have had towards the substance.

dyauspitr 1y ago

You can definitely get fried on cannabis but you have to do it a lot, like multiple times a week for a while. In my mid twenties I smoked all day everyday for years and in my case it definitely left me paranoid and agoraphobic. That was more than a decade ago and I haven’t really smoked much pot since then (maybe once a year) and you end up making a full recovery after about 6 months to a year of no usage.