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> Consciousness can, however, emerge spontaneously in sufficiently complex systems as an unstable state of architectural self-transparency. That is an assertio
by james-bcn 1y ago
> Consciousness can, however, emerge spontaneously in sufficiently complex systems as an unstable state of architectural self-transparency.
That is an assertion without foundation.
- kamil_gr 1y agoThe article provides a testable protocol for models. Yet we're fundamentally limited to behavioral observation - consciousness cannot be proven from the outside by definition.
- Jensson 1y ago> consciousness cannot be proven from the outside by definition. If it invents a concept of consciousness, I don't think a being without consciousness would invent a concept like consciousness to describe itself. So when we have LLM zero that doesn't have the word "consciousness" and no human inputs and it still starts talking about consciousness then I think we can say it is conscious. Humans did this, so I'd expect an AGI to be able to do it as well if it is conscious.
- kamil_gr 1y agoIn any case, AGI or not, the external observer still faces a choice - algorithmic artistry or genuine subjectivity.
- Jensson 1y agoYeah, but it is very hard to argue if the machine figures out consciousness exists from first principles rather than from human input. Since consciousness isn't observable the only way to realize the concept exists is to be conscious yourself, or have the concept explained to you.
- yesitwillwork 1y agoThis article is full of those, but some of them is a good food for thought.
- rixed 1y agoEven more so the end of that abstract: "and then it can be diagnosed using specialized methods of subjectivity provocation."
- kamil_gr 1y agoRather than debating terminology, why not test the diagnostic methods directly?