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Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't giv

Yeah. One thing I learned working at a Big company is that companies are full of parasites who are there to get their promotion or salary increase and don't give a cat shit about users or mission or values. Honestly it sucked any joy out of my life but I am stuck here because of visa.

bombcar 1y ago
You almost need (not going to be definitive because some big companies just need to execute the same operations for hundreds of years) a Jobs or Gates or someone who doesn't believe their own bullshit and is willing to say "this sucks, we're shitcanning it." Otherwise you get generic slop, eventually.
breckenedge 1y ago
Happens at small companies too, especially those owned by private equity.
soderfoo 1y ago
Visionaries and solution oriented devs can’t deliver the kind of quarterly “profitability” that careerist, KPI-chasing, promotion-hungry product managers love to promise.
noisy_boy 1y ago
Until a company fully supports the combination of top-class engineering + top-class user experience to the exclusion and expulsion of political parasites, this is inevitable. Unfortunately, the ever-expanding blind profit chasing, at the exclusion of everything else, kills the chance of that happening.
surgical_fire 1y ago
You described any regular workplace. You are not supposed to find joy in work. Work is something that you do so you can afford to find joy elsewhere.
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- hshshshshsh 1y ago
  But isn't that a bad way to live life? Spending the best years of life working a job that you don't like so that you get weekends free?
  - surgical_fire 1y ago
    Starving is worse. Try to find a job that is tolerable and devote your free time to things that make you happy - family, friends, hobbies, etc
    - rewgs 1y ago
      You're both not wrong. What @surgical_fire is describing is the "minimum viable product" for a career. It's the thing that serves the basics on Maslow's Hierarchy. What @hshshshshsh is describing is anything past that. We briefly exist sandwiched between two eternities -- shouldn't we care about the quality of our time during the thing that takes up the largest quantity of our time? The problem is that, the issue that @hshshshshsh is pointing out is precisely what makes the minimum @surgical_fire is describing damn near impossible to find. Because no one gives a shit about users, values, mission, etc, the company suffers and turns into a shit-show, incentivizing people to become more selfish so that they don't get sucked into the vortex of shit. In order to reach the minimum of a "tolerable" job that doesn't suck up all your free time or make your time there a living hell, the company _must_ engage with at least some of what @hshshshshsh is describing. This requires some amount of good faith from the majority involved. This is a tricky and fragile thing. It's easy to lose. And thus the cycle begins anew. Ultimately, we need more people thinking like @hshshshshsh so that we can get what @surgical_fire is describing.
      - hshshshshsh 1y ago
        You should consider doing standup comedy. That made me smile.

bombcar 1y ago

You almost need (not going to be definitive because some big companies just need to execute the same operations for hundreds of years) a Jobs or Gates or someone who doesn't believe their own bullshit and is willing to say "this sucks, we're shitcanning it." Otherwise you get generic slop, eventually.

breckenedge 1y ago

Happens at small companies too, especially those owned by private equity.

soderfoo 1y ago

Visionaries and solution oriented devs can’t deliver the kind of quarterly “profitability” that careerist, KPI-chasing, promotion-hungry product managers love to promise.

noisy_boy 1y ago

Until a company fully supports the combination of top-class engineering + top-class user experience to the exclusion and expulsion of political parasites, this is inevitable. Unfortunately, the ever-expanding blind profit chasing, at the exclusion of everything else, kills the chance of that happening.

surgical_fire 1y ago

You described any regular workplace. You are not supposed to find joy in work. Work is something that you do so you can afford to find joy elsewhere.

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hshshshshsh 1y ago
But isn't that a bad way to live life? Spending the best years of life working a job that you don't like so that you get weekends free?
- surgical_fire 1y ago
  Starving is worse. Try to find a job that is tolerable and devote your free time to things that make you happy - family, friends, hobbies, etc
  - rewgs 1y ago
    You're both not wrong. What @surgical_fire is describing is the "minimum viable product" for a career. It's the thing that serves the basics on Maslow's Hierarchy. What @hshshshshsh is describing is anything past that. We briefly exist sandwiched between two eternities -- shouldn't we care about the quality of our time during the thing that takes up the largest quantity of our time? The problem is that, the issue that @hshshshshsh is pointing out is precisely what makes the minimum @surgical_fire is describing damn near impossible to find. Because no one gives a shit about users, values, mission, etc, the company suffers and turns into a shit-show, incentivizing people to become more selfish so that they don't get sucked into the vortex of shit. In order to reach the minimum of a "tolerable" job that doesn't suck up all your free time or make your time there a living hell, the company _must_ engage with at least some of what @hshshshshsh is describing. This requires some amount of good faith from the majority involved. This is a tricky and fragile thing. It's easy to lose. And thus the cycle begins anew. Ultimately, we need more people thinking like @hshshshshsh so that we can get what @surgical_fire is describing.
    - hshshshshsh 1y ago
      You should consider doing standup comedy. That made me smile.