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It sure would be nice if the western world didnt have the same relationship with America that Belarus has with Russia.

• saubeidl 1y ago
  We're working on building our own military to a point we won't need them anymore. This is all temporary appeasement, but they'll pay the price eventually.
  • pydry 1y ago
    Im afraid spending more money on American arms which require American consent to work because "daddy" demanded it doesnt really count.
    • saubeidl 1y ago
      ReArm Europe explicitly has a "Buy European" clause. American arms are not eligible.
      • refurb 1y ago
        Europe doesn't make a lot of the arms it would need to go it alone.
        • saubeidl 1y ago
          Which is exactly why it's rapidly expanding its arms production. Which kind of arms are you thinking of, btw?
      • pydry 1y ago
        If this were the intention we'd be building drone factories, steel forges, munitions factories and hiring troops instead of buying overpriced F-35s for which american permission to operate can be withdrawn at will and which have proven to be too fragile to be allowed to be deployed in Ukraine. The top priority still appears to be "please daddy".
        • saubeidl 1y ago
          We are doing all of those. https://united24media.com/latest-news/europes-artillery-production-skyrockets-poised-to-overtake-russia-and-rival-china-by-2026-7873 https://united24media.com/latest-news/europes-artillery-prod... https://defence-industry.eu/german-defence-company-helsing-to-deliver-6000-additional-hx-2-strike-drones-to-ukraine/ https://defence-industry.eu/german-defence-company-helsing-t... https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-hire-11000-more-military-personnel-this-year-bild-reports-2025-06-21/ https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/germany-h...
          • pydry 1y ago
            shrug we were doing all of these at a small scale even before the war. Articles that brag about delivering the equivalent few weeks' worth of Russian industrial production to the Ukrainian front lines every 6 months actually kind of underline the point. It reminds me of the articles just before the summer 2023 offensive whose numbers spelled doom to anybody who had a limited understanding of military realities: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64391272 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64391272
            • saubeidl 1y ago
              We're outpacing Russia for artillery shell production and are on track to be head-to-head with China by 2026.
              • pydry 1y ago
                Not even close.