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Jobs has been gone for almost 15 years. From what I know Ive had nothing to do with anything but design aesthetic. I am not sure either of these people have an

Jobs has been gone for almost 15 years. From what I know Ive had nothing to do with anything but design aesthetic. I am not sure either of these people have anything to do with ads on Apple Wallet. Or even Apple Wallet…

keiferski 1y ago
The entire reason Apple made devices that were a level above competitors is because the design wasn’t just the aesthetic. Ive was chief designer and so obviously had a key impact.
- hshshshshsh 1y ago
  How do you know Ive had a key impact? Do you know it or read somewhere online?
  - dijit 1y ago
    “How do you know that <primary responsible person> had impact”. Do you hear yourself?
    - hshshshshsh 1y ago
      Then all OP is saying key impact person had key impact. Doesn't add any substance to discussion.
      - dijit 1y ago
        > How do you know that? Because of the title? Yes
        tempaccount420 1y ago
        3x Boosted?
      - exe34 1y ago
        Neither did your second sentence, and you still wrote it. Sometimes we write things down to draw attention to the fact, not to inform a naive audience of facts that they did not know.
- nottorp 1y ago
  Key impact like the shit emoji keyboard that couldn't survive a single speck of dust?
- pqtyw 1y ago
  It might be a complete misinterpretation but it seems like Ive went completely haywire when Job's was gone with the ultra thin, portless, overheating Macs with a crappy keyboards and pointless touch bars that sort of looked cool but provided no other real value.
bobbylarrybobby 1y ago
The point is, when Jobs was around, there was an overarching (unstated?) policy at Apple of “nobody do anything to make us look like cheap tasteless shits”. Whereas now, Tim Cook is very happy to sell out for a quick buck. He's a logistics guy, not a product guy, and at his core is a bean counter; he neither has taste nor appreciates that it has value unto itself.
- tokioyoyo 1y ago
  There were ~60M iPhone users when Jobs was the CEO. There are about ~1.4B right now. Both respectively accomplished very respectable things. It’s not selling for a quick buck if he was able to scale the business to such degrees. That being said, I agree that Apple makes a lot of wrongs.
  - trinix912 1y ago
    Part of the appeal of Apple was that not everyone and their mom just had an Apple device. They heavily played on that, similar to how fashion does. That "exclusivity" (sort of) is gone now, and it shows with Apple trying to create likable, noncontroversial designs for the larger crowd. They try to make up for it with prices, but it misses the point.
    - moomoo11 1y ago
      Apple became Gucci
    - danaris 1y ago
      Maybe that was part of the appeal to you. To most of us, the appeal of Apple has always been primarily that it does what it does well. I don't think Apple themselves thinks their appeal depends on exclusivity, but rather on a premium experience.
    - dghlsakjg 1y ago
      I promise you, in 2005, everyone and their mom had an iPod. If you couldn’t afford the full fat iPod, you bought any of the various cheaper stripped down models. If anything, Apple has gotten more exclusive through their pricing.
dkersten 1y ago
> I know Ive had nothing to do with Ok you haven’t but what about Ive?

keiferski 1y ago

The entire reason Apple made devices that were a level above competitors is because the design wasn’t just the aesthetic. Ive was chief designer and so obviously had a key impact.

hshshshshsh 1y ago
How do you know Ive had a key impact? Do you know it or read somewhere online?
- dijit 1y ago
  “How do you know that <primary responsible person> had impact”. Do you hear yourself?
  - hshshshshsh 1y ago
    Then all OP is saying key impact person had key impact. Doesn't add any substance to discussion.
    - dijit 1y ago
      > How do you know that? Because of the title? Yes
      - tempaccount420 1y ago
        3x Boosted?
    - exe34 1y ago
      Neither did your second sentence, and you still wrote it. Sometimes we write things down to draw attention to the fact, not to inform a naive audience of facts that they did not know.
nottorp 1y ago
Key impact like the shit emoji keyboard that couldn't survive a single speck of dust?
pqtyw 1y ago
It might be a complete misinterpretation but it seems like Ive went completely haywire when Job's was gone with the ultra thin, portless, overheating Macs with a crappy keyboards and pointless touch bars that sort of looked cool but provided no other real value.

bobbylarrybobby 1y ago

The point is, when Jobs was around, there was an overarching (unstated?) policy at Apple of “nobody do anything to make us look like cheap tasteless shits”. Whereas now, Tim Cook is very happy to sell out for a quick buck. He's a logistics guy, not a product guy, and at his core is a bean counter; he neither has taste nor appreciates that it has value unto itself.

tokioyoyo 1y ago
There were ~60M iPhone users when Jobs was the CEO. There are about ~1.4B right now. Both respectively accomplished very respectable things. It’s not selling for a quick buck if he was able to scale the business to such degrees. That being said, I agree that Apple makes a lot of wrongs.
- trinix912 1y ago
  Part of the appeal of Apple was that not everyone and their mom just had an Apple device. They heavily played on that, similar to how fashion does. That "exclusivity" (sort of) is gone now, and it shows with Apple trying to create likable, noncontroversial designs for the larger crowd. They try to make up for it with prices, but it misses the point.
  - moomoo11 1y ago
    Apple became Gucci
  - danaris 1y ago
    Maybe that was part of the appeal to you. To most of us, the appeal of Apple has always been primarily that it does what it does well. I don't think Apple themselves thinks their appeal depends on exclusivity, but rather on a premium experience.
  - dghlsakjg 1y ago
    I promise you, in 2005, everyone and their mom had an iPod. If you couldn’t afford the full fat iPod, you bought any of the various cheaper stripped down models. If anything, Apple has gotten more exclusive through their pricing.

dkersten 1y ago

> I know Ive had nothing to do with Ok you haven’t but what about Ive?