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> Which is why they picked the name ... Is that really true though? As I understood it JavaScript was mainly adopted because Java was popular at the time. Java

by devjab 1y ago

> Which is why they picked the name ... Is that really true though? As I understood it JavaScript was mainly adopted because Java was popular at the time. JavaScript originally shipped as LiveScript, and they changed it to JavaScript later. Here is a nice quote on it from Brendan Eich: “The name JavaScript was chosen when Java was hot, and we were doing LiveConnect to hook up JS to Java applets.” Here is one from David Flanagan: “JavaScript was originally developed under the name Mocha… It was renamed JavaScript in a co-marketing deal between Netscape and Sun Microsystems.”

rvnx 1y ago
We can also punish people who are historically connected to this trademark and supporting Oracle. Like in this case, Mozilla and Brave. If they have less users due to Oracle, they will put pressure on Oracle to release the trademark.
- BrendanEich 1y ago
  Brave doesn't support Oracle, what were you thinking? I'm second signatory to https://javascript.tm https://javascript.tm.
  - rvnx 1y ago
    I am saying because, according to this interview, the name JavaScript was trademarked with the support of Brendan Eich as part of "Sun Microsystems": https://topenddevs.com/podcasts/javascript-jabber/episodes/124-jsj-the-origin-of-javascript-with-brendan-eich https://topenddevs.com/podcasts/javascript-jabber/episodes/1... "I liked the fact that Joy signed the trademark agreement" To clarify: it was true at some point because of personal reasons, and is not anymore the case, right ?
    - BrendanEich 1y ago
      I never worked for Sun. I liked how Bill Joy signed "Founder" and seemed to go against others at Sun. I did not want LiveScript, and it too was under trademark threat. Mocha seemed to me more defensible, but Netscape Marketing wanted LiveScript or (if they could get Sun to agree) JavaScript. Upper management definitely wanted the Java- based name. Hope this helps!
BrendanEich 1y ago
The name change to JavaScript, via a trademark license from Sun to Netscape, was on Dec. 4, 1995 -- still within the Netscape 2.0 beta period. There was no stable release of Netscape launched with LiveScript but not JavaScript support.
- devjab 1y ago
  Cool, thanks for the correction.

by devjab 1y ago

rvnx 1y ago

We can also punish people who are historically connected to this trademark and supporting Oracle. Like in this case, Mozilla and Brave. If they have less users due to Oracle, they will put pressure on Oracle to release the trademark.

BrendanEich 1y ago
Brave doesn't support Oracle, what were you thinking? I'm second signatory to https://javascript.tm https://javascript.tm.
- rvnx 1y ago
  I am saying because, according to this interview, the name JavaScript was trademarked with the support of Brendan Eich as part of "Sun Microsystems": https://topenddevs.com/podcasts/javascript-jabber/episodes/124-jsj-the-origin-of-javascript-with-brendan-eich https://topenddevs.com/podcasts/javascript-jabber/episodes/1... "I liked the fact that Joy signed the trademark agreement" To clarify: it was true at some point because of personal reasons, and is not anymore the case, right ?
  - BrendanEich 1y ago
    I never worked for Sun. I liked how Bill Joy signed "Founder" and seemed to go against others at Sun. I did not want LiveScript, and it too was under trademark threat. Mocha seemed to me more defensible, but Netscape Marketing wanted LiveScript or (if they could get Sun to agree) JavaScript. Upper management definitely wanted the Java- based name. Hope this helps!

BrendanEich 1y ago

The name change to JavaScript, via a trademark license from Sun to Netscape, was on Dec. 4, 1995 -- still within the Netscape 2.0 beta period. There was no stable release of Netscape launched with LiveScript but not JavaScript support.

devjab 1y ago
Cool, thanks for the correction.