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And build and train a large military force. And build an extensive tunnel network in the entirety of the Gaza strip. Complete control over every day to day aspe

by YZF 1y ago

And build and train a large military force. And build an extensive tunnel network in the entirety of the Gaza strip. Complete control over every day to day aspect of their lives, government, healthcare, police force. Elections. Extensive weapons manufacturing. Control of the borders with Israel and Gaza. So yeah. I think we can say they had control.

fzeroracer 1y ago
Israel has been blockading and controlling Gaza since the 90s. To argue that they've had complete control is just historically and factually wrong. Israel has been gradually tightening the screws on the region for decades.
- YZF 1y ago
  Nobody has complete control over anything but the true story is that Israel withdrew in good faith wanting to give Palestinians a chance to build their own lives. Israel did exactly what all the good people here want it to do so badly. Stop the "occupation". Since the outcome of that doesn't fit the narrative (10's of thousands of rockets on Israel, suicide bombing attacks, Hamas taking over, leading to Oct 7th) then we need to do some mental gymnastics to somehow claim that despite Israel no longer occupying Gaza it somehow still was. The "tightening of the screws" is a result of Palestinians deciding to wage war against Israel, build rockets, fire them into civilian populations. It's really pretty simple. Palestinians want to destroy Israel. They have and had no interest having a "Singapore" in Gaza. I'm not sure how you get to the 90's. We are talking about the disengagement in 2005. I lived in Israel during this time and I know very well what the mood was. I've also seen interviews with people who were in the loop who say Ariel Sharon (who architected the withdrawal) sincerely wanted to see Palestinians succeed and use this as a blue print to also end the conflict in the west bank. International donors even bought equipment from Israel (like greenhouses) so they can leave it for the Palestinians who promptly proceeded to destroy them.
  - jakelazaroff 1y ago
    Nobody has "complete control", sure, but there's a reason Gaza doesn't have an airport (destroyed by the IDF) and can't receive aid by sea (intercepted by the IDF). The latter happened as recently as this month; the IDF commandeered a boat delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza and arrested its passengers in international waters. https://mondoweiss.net/2025/06/israeli-forces-commandeer-aid-boat-led-by-greta-thunberg-on-its-way-to-gaza/ https://mondoweiss.net/2025/06/israeli-forces-commandeer-aid...
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      Thunberg's flotella isn't a very good example of Israel preventing aid. The flotella carried a symbolic bit of aid, and Israel didn't reject it, they just insisted that it go through proper channels rather than violate a blockade which is in place for justifiable security reasons.
      - jakelazaroff 1y ago
        Saying that Israel gets to determine the "proper channels" for people and aid to enter Gaza is a tacit admission that the strip is occupied by Israel.
        dlubarov 1y ago
        Post Oct 7, of course there's an occupation now that Israel has boots on the ground.
        jakelazaroff 1y ago
        October 7 was not the start of Israel intercepting aid in international waters: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/9/freedom-flotillas-a-history-of-attempts-to-break-israels-siege-of-gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/9/freedom-flotillas-a-... > The movement, founded in 2006 by activists during Israel’s war on Lebanon, went on to launch 31 boats between 2008 and 2016, five of which reached Gaza despite heavy Israeli restrictions. > Since 2010, all flotillas attempting to break the Gaza blockade have been intercepted or attacked by Israel in international waters.
ath3nd 1y ago
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by YZF 1y ago

fzeroracer 1y ago

Israel has been blockading and controlling Gaza since the 90s. To argue that they've had complete control is just historically and factually wrong. Israel has been gradually tightening the screws on the region for decades.

YZF 1y ago
Nobody has complete control over anything but the true story is that Israel withdrew in good faith wanting to give Palestinians a chance to build their own lives. Israel did exactly what all the good people here want it to do so badly. Stop the "occupation". Since the outcome of that doesn't fit the narrative (10's of thousands of rockets on Israel, suicide bombing attacks, Hamas taking over, leading to Oct 7th) then we need to do some mental gymnastics to somehow claim that despite Israel no longer occupying Gaza it somehow still was. The "tightening of the screws" is a result of Palestinians deciding to wage war against Israel, build rockets, fire them into civilian populations. It's really pretty simple. Palestinians want to destroy Israel. They have and had no interest having a "Singapore" in Gaza. I'm not sure how you get to the 90's. We are talking about the disengagement in 2005. I lived in Israel during this time and I know very well what the mood was. I've also seen interviews with people who were in the loop who say Ariel Sharon (who architected the withdrawal) sincerely wanted to see Palestinians succeed and use this as a blue print to also end the conflict in the west bank. International donors even bought equipment from Israel (like greenhouses) so they can leave it for the Palestinians who promptly proceeded to destroy them.
- jakelazaroff 1y ago
  Nobody has "complete control", sure, but there's a reason Gaza doesn't have an airport (destroyed by the IDF) and can't receive aid by sea (intercepted by the IDF). The latter happened as recently as this month; the IDF commandeered a boat delivering humanitarian aid to Gaza and arrested its passengers in international waters. https://mondoweiss.net/2025/06/israeli-forces-commandeer-aid-boat-led-by-greta-thunberg-on-its-way-to-gaza/ https://mondoweiss.net/2025/06/israeli-forces-commandeer-aid...
  - dlubarov 1y ago
    Thunberg's flotella isn't a very good example of Israel preventing aid. The flotella carried a symbolic bit of aid, and Israel didn't reject it, they just insisted that it go through proper channels rather than violate a blockade which is in place for justifiable security reasons.
    - jakelazaroff 1y ago
      Saying that Israel gets to determine the "proper channels" for people and aid to enter Gaza is a tacit admission that the strip is occupied by Israel.
      - dlubarov 1y ago
        Post Oct 7, of course there's an occupation now that Israel has boots on the ground.
        jakelazaroff 1y ago
        October 7 was not the start of Israel intercepting aid in international waters: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/9/freedom-flotillas-a-history-of-attempts-to-break-israels-siege-of-gaza https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/6/9/freedom-flotillas-a-... > The movement, founded in 2006 by activists during Israel’s war on Lebanon, went on to launch 31 boats between 2008 and 2016, five of which reached Gaza despite heavy Israeli restrictions. > Since 2010, all flotillas attempting to break the Gaza blockade have been intercepted or attacked by Israel in international waters.

ath3nd 1y ago

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