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> It seems that pot is about the worst thing that a schizoaffective/schizophrenic person can use. This isn't entirely true, and it's a dangerous misconception.

> It seems that pot is about the worst thing that a schizoaffective/schizophrenic person can use. This isn't entirely true, and it's a dangerous misconception. High THC, low CBD cannabis wouldn't be recommended, but that's exactly what making cannabis illegal selects for. High CBD, low/zero THC cannabis, on the other hand, will probably be one of the paths to treatment if we ever get over our Reefer Madness and pharmaceutical obsession.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
Eh, maybe. I can certainly say that I have "skin in the game." Someone very dear to me suffers from it, and it's difficult to hear theories from folks that don't have as much of a stake. That's one reason that I have compassion for parents of autistic children, that are vehemently anti-vax. I completely disagree with their stance, but I know what they are dealing with, and the very real fears and stresses that they are under.
- mandmandam 1y ago
  > it's difficult to hear theories from folks that don't have as much of a stake. It's not a theory that CBD has anti-psychotic properties. It certainly does, we just don't fully understand why. My theory is that it will someday be part of treatment plans; and as someone with skin in the game I would hope that you care enough to learn a bit more about it. The comparison to anti-vaxxers with autism in the family is not appropriate here.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
    > is not appropriate here Actually, if the agenda of pushing CBD therapy applies, then it is. I know a number of folks that have autistic children, of various levels, from "nerd," to "wheelchair-bound." Their parents are usually absolute saints, regardless of their political views, or misinformation diets, and live in constant pain; making daily sacrifices that I don't think many folks here, can even comprehend. We were discussing a serious mental illness, and, as someone that is a caregiver for someone like that, I think that my experience is relevant; just as someone who believes that their child's condition was caused by something that is really a red herring. The real villains, here, are the people that have secondary agendas (like legalizing drugs, or pushing political agendas), and look at people like us, with very real pain, as nothing but pawns, to be used to push their agenda (Think of the children!). CBD, like Blockchain, probably has some valid application, but, because it was so unexplored, scientifically, it is currently about 75% snake-oil. We'll find out what it's good for, over time. The same can be said for other drugs, like MDMA, microdose LSD, or psilocybin.
    - aspenmayer 1y ago
      > The real villains, here, are the people that have secondary agendas (like legalizing drugs, or pushing political agendas) The natural state of affairs is silence, as plants don't care about humans. The actual history of plant illegalization is inherently political, and inextricably racist in America due to Nixon.
      - mandmandam 1y ago
        I agree, except that the racism involved with prohibition goes right back to Day 1 with Harry Anslinger [0]. 0 - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=harry+anslinger+racism&atb=v340-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=harry+anslinger+racism&atb=...
        aspenmayer 1y ago
        I agree, except that isn’t how you cite sources. What’s the point of that? I know how to search, thanks. I will treat every instance of this kind of “let me Google that for you” whether it has Google or not as a native ad and will flag. Please cite a source, or don’t, but either way, stop shilling. Thanks.
        mandmandam 1y ago
        > that isn’t how you cite sources And this isn't an academic paper. If you want to learn about Anslinger, so you don't make false claims, my link is a perfectly cromulent starting point. > Please cite a source, or don’t, but either way, stop shilling. Not sure you know what shilling means - I trust you can google it if you don't? If you do, what is it you believe I'm shilling?
        aspenmayer 1y ago
        > Not sure you know what shilling means - I trust you can google it if you don't? If you do, what is it you believe I'm shilling? The search engine you mentioned is who benefits. We’re both right, actually. I don’t disagree with what you said, just the needless url you linked. I agree with what you said, but Nixon is also responsible for his racist words and recordings thereof. There were a lot of racists in history.
jazzyjackson 1y ago
Legal competition had lead to much higher concentrations of THC than was normal in the bad old days of smoking Mexican brick weed, not to mention the pure accessibility of buying 96% THC vapes wherever you go in unlimited amounts as opposed to being happy you could get your hands on an ounce.
talentedcoin 1y ago
“Dangerous misconception”? Get out of here with that. Cannabis is dangerous for schizoaffective people. Why are people that smoke pot so tiresome about this? Just accept that it’s not good for everyone!
- mandmandam 1y ago
  > “Dangerous misconception”? Get out of here with that. I will not. The demonization of cannabis has led directly to it becoming high THC and low CBD, as I said. It also has lead to it often being tainted with all manner of adulterants, from ketamine to glass beads to plaster dust to worse. > Cannabis is dangerous for schizoaffective people. CBD is a leading target of research for it's anti-psychotic properties; and if you don't know this it's a complete mystery to me why you feel entitled to weigh in. And it's not even the only compound in cannabis that is being investigated; there are others with anti-psychotic and synergistic potential. > Why are people that smoke pot so tiresome about this? What if what I'm saying might be true, and you're dead wrong to accuse anyone who disagrees of being a 'tiresome stoner'? ... Because, in fact, it may well be [0]. > Just accept that it’s not good for everyone! If it's not for you, that's fine; but the wilful ignorance around cannabis over decades has caused far, far more harm than cannabis ever has. Can you accept that it will may well have a role in treating "psychosis, in general and schizophrenia, in particular" [0]? 0 - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22716160/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22716160/
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mikeweiss 1y ago
"High CBD will probably be one of the paths to treatment" On what exactly are you basing that off of? Vibes?
- dakom 1y ago
  I wouldn't dismiss personal anecdotes any more than I'd dismiss someone claiming they saw something in a reputable journal but can't remember the citation. In other words, yeah, don't just believe it at face value- but if you have good reason to trust the source, it's worth considering and checking into further. In this case it's not just one individual but many people saying that THC and CBD are almost opposites if eachother, for example in how they affect anxiety. Definitely worth proper research imho, could lead to medication that has more of the pros and less of the cons
- mandmandam 1y ago
  Not trying to be glib, but this is a genuine lmgtfy moment. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=cbd+antipsychotic&atb=v340-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=cbd+antipsychotic&atb=v340-...
  - mikeweiss 1y ago
    No it's not. The poster should have referenced some sources. CBD has been touted as a miracle drug for over a decade now and it seems mostly like a fad at this point. But also it's not well regulated so it's easy for unscrupulous companies and individuals to profit from misleading marketing around it.
    - mandmandam 1y ago
      > The poster should have referenced some sources. Who, me? ... Why? It's very well known and established that CBD has antipsychotic properties. And if you don't know, that and don't bring any evidence against it, then why claim otherwise before like, doing a simple search to check your priors? In any case, I've provided multiple citations elsewhere in this thread, and a whole bunch more come up on the linked search results. This isn't hidden knowledge or anything. > CBD has been touted as a miracle drug for over a decade now That's a separate issue. > it seems mostly like a fad at this point If you click the link you can see that isn't true. > also it's not well regulated so it's easy for unscrupulous companies and individuals to profit from misleading marketing around it. That's a separate issue.

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago

Eh, maybe. I can certainly say that I have "skin in the game." Someone very dear to me suffers from it, and it's difficult to hear theories from folks that don't have as much of a stake. That's one reason that I have compassion for parents of autistic children, that are vehemently anti-vax. I completely disagree with their stance, but I know what they are dealing with, and the very real fears and stresses that they are under.

mandmandam 1y ago
> it's difficult to hear theories from folks that don't have as much of a stake. It's not a theory that CBD has anti-psychotic properties. It certainly does, we just don't fully understand why. My theory is that it will someday be part of treatment plans; and as someone with skin in the game I would hope that you care enough to learn a bit more about it. The comparison to anti-vaxxers with autism in the family is not appropriate here.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  > is not appropriate here Actually, if the agenda of pushing CBD therapy applies, then it is. I know a number of folks that have autistic children, of various levels, from "nerd," to "wheelchair-bound." Their parents are usually absolute saints, regardless of their political views, or misinformation diets, and live in constant pain; making daily sacrifices that I don't think many folks here, can even comprehend. We were discussing a serious mental illness, and, as someone that is a caregiver for someone like that, I think that my experience is relevant; just as someone who believes that their child's condition was caused by something that is really a red herring. The real villains, here, are the people that have secondary agendas (like legalizing drugs, or pushing political agendas), and look at people like us, with very real pain, as nothing but pawns, to be used to push their agenda (Think of the children!). CBD, like Blockchain, probably has some valid application, but, because it was so unexplored, scientifically, it is currently about 75% snake-oil. We'll find out what it's good for, over time. The same can be said for other drugs, like MDMA, microdose LSD, or psilocybin.
  - aspenmayer 1y ago
    > The real villains, here, are the people that have secondary agendas (like legalizing drugs, or pushing political agendas) The natural state of affairs is silence, as plants don't care about humans. The actual history of plant illegalization is inherently political, and inextricably racist in America due to Nixon.
    - mandmandam 1y ago
      I agree, except that the racism involved with prohibition goes right back to Day 1 with Harry Anslinger [0]. 0 - https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=harry+anslinger+racism&atb=v340-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=harry+anslinger+racism&atb=...
      - aspenmayer 1y ago
        I agree, except that isn’t how you cite sources. What’s the point of that? I know how to search, thanks. I will treat every instance of this kind of “let me Google that for you” whether it has Google or not as a native ad and will flag. Please cite a source, or don’t, but either way, stop shilling. Thanks.
        mandmandam 1y ago
        > that isn’t how you cite sources And this isn't an academic paper. If you want to learn about Anslinger, so you don't make false claims, my link is a perfectly cromulent starting point. > Please cite a source, or don’t, but either way, stop shilling. Not sure you know what shilling means - I trust you can google it if you don't? If you do, what is it you believe I'm shilling?
        aspenmayer 1y ago
        > Not sure you know what shilling means - I trust you can google it if you don't? If you do, what is it you believe I'm shilling? The search engine you mentioned is who benefits. We’re both right, actually. I don’t disagree with what you said, just the needless url you linked. I agree with what you said, but Nixon is also responsible for his racist words and recordings thereof. There were a lot of racists in history.

jazzyjackson 1y ago

Legal competition had lead to much higher concentrations of THC than was normal in the bad old days of smoking Mexican brick weed, not to mention the pure accessibility of buying 96% THC vapes wherever you go in unlimited amounts as opposed to being happy you could get your hands on an ounce.

talentedcoin 1y ago

“Dangerous misconception”? Get out of here with that. Cannabis is dangerous for schizoaffective people. Why are people that smoke pot so tiresome about this? Just accept that it’s not good for everyone!

mandmandam 1y ago
> “Dangerous misconception”? Get out of here with that. I will not. The demonization of cannabis has led directly to it becoming high THC and low CBD, as I said. It also has lead to it often being tainted with all manner of adulterants, from ketamine to glass beads to plaster dust to worse. > Cannabis is dangerous for schizoaffective people. CBD is a leading target of research for it's anti-psychotic properties; and if you don't know this it's a complete mystery to me why you feel entitled to weigh in. And it's not even the only compound in cannabis that is being investigated; there are others with anti-psychotic and synergistic potential. > Why are people that smoke pot so tiresome about this? What if what I'm saying might be true, and you're dead wrong to accuse anyone who disagrees of being a 'tiresome stoner'? ... Because, in fact, it may well be [0]. > Just accept that it’s not good for everyone! If it's not for you, that's fine; but the wilful ignorance around cannabis over decades has caused far, far more harm than cannabis ever has. Can you accept that it will may well have a role in treating "psychosis, in general and schizophrenia, in particular" [0]? 0 - https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22716160/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22716160/
- talentedcoin 1y ago
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mikeweiss 1y ago

"High CBD will probably be one of the paths to treatment" On what exactly are you basing that off of? Vibes?

dakom 1y ago
I wouldn't dismiss personal anecdotes any more than I'd dismiss someone claiming they saw something in a reputable journal but can't remember the citation. In other words, yeah, don't just believe it at face value- but if you have good reason to trust the source, it's worth considering and checking into further. In this case it's not just one individual but many people saying that THC and CBD are almost opposites if eachother, for example in how they affect anxiety. Definitely worth proper research imho, could lead to medication that has more of the pros and less of the cons
mandmandam 1y ago
Not trying to be glib, but this is a genuine lmgtfy moment. https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=cbd+antipsychotic&atb=v340-1&ia=web https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffab&q=cbd+antipsychotic&atb=v340-...
- mikeweiss 1y ago
  No it's not. The poster should have referenced some sources. CBD has been touted as a miracle drug for over a decade now and it seems mostly like a fad at this point. But also it's not well regulated so it's easy for unscrupulous companies and individuals to profit from misleading marketing around it.
  - mandmandam 1y ago
    > The poster should have referenced some sources. Who, me? ... Why? It's very well known and established that CBD has antipsychotic properties. And if you don't know, that and don't bring any evidence against it, then why claim otherwise before like, doing a simple search to check your priors? In any case, I've provided multiple citations elsewhere in this thread, and a whole bunch more come up on the linked search results. This isn't hidden knowledge or anything. > CBD has been touted as a miracle drug for over a decade now That's a separate issue. > it seems mostly like a fad at this point If you click the link you can see that isn't true. > also it's not well regulated so it's easy for unscrupulous companies and individuals to profit from misleading marketing around it. That's a separate issue.