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Is this an attempt at controlling the narrative around climate change, in line with the impacts at NOAA and other climate-related government agencies?

mason_mpls 1y ago
Don’t look up!
- burnt-resistor 1y ago
  The timing is just, it's atrocious. Okay, at this very moment, I say we sit tight and assess.
  - TheRealPomax 1y ago
    That's what got us here in the first place, maybe stop doing that.
    - dzhiurgis 1y ago
      To where? Stock market ath and free AI for the masses?
    - verandaguy 1y ago
      "Sit tight and assess" as used above is probably a reference to the movie "Don't Look Up" from a few years ago, which (heavy-handedly) parodied administrations like Trump I (and which unortunately seem much less like parody in the Trump II era).
      - TheRealPomax 1y ago
        having literally never heard of this, despite being in North America, it's a good idea to not make assumptions about who's seen which pop culture thing.
  - chamomeal 1y ago
    ^ I’m pretty sure this is a quote from the movie Don’t Look Up, if that’s why y’all are downvoting this comment
- FireBeyond 1y ago
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genter 1y ago
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- detourdog 1y ago
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- alwa 1y ago
  Accuweather, who also depend on this same USG sensor data for their modeling… I don’t think anybody wins from this. See e.g. https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-support-project-2025-plan-to-fully-commercializing-nws-operations-noaa-has-critical-role-in-american-weather-enterprise/1670156 https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-su...
  - Frost1x 1y ago
    Are there other countries with similar weather satellites? I imagine China or the EU likely have some of their own. I know the US has been pushing this for free so plenty of nations likely piggy back off the free data. But I imagine larger ones might want their own redundant services to some degree to avoid vulnerability. If so, they might be benefiting, but that’s about it.
    - tokai 1y ago
      "Since its establishment in 2014, the Copernicus program has received consistent investment from ESA, making it the world’s largest and most advanced open data Earth Observation initiative for climate, disaster, and resource management."[0] Data from the Copernicus program is available for any citizen or organization worldwide. So a lot of free data will still be accessible. [0] https://newsletter.terrawatchspace.com/global-earth-observation-civilian-programs-budgets-and-trends/ https://newsletter.terrawatchspace.com/global-earth-observat...
    - yurishimo 1y ago
      Definitely. The EU has weather satellites and Asia as well. Luckily, they tend to collect data around the entire world but what we lose here is the on-the-ground infrastructure that is woven together with satellite data to give better information about the facts on the ground. Funny enough, this came up in the Netherlands a few months ago. The government released their own mobile app based on the data they collect and the private weather apps got all upset that the government was competing. What made it hilarious though, is that the private companies are all using the open source government data to power their apps! So yea, this data will still be collected in the USA, but then sold to for-profit companies for basically nothing and then they will charge consumers for access to data collected with their collective tax dollars. Pretty messed up imo.
gwerbin 1y ago
Yes. Quoting Projct 225: > Break Up NOAA ... NOAA consists of six main offices ... Together, these form a colossal operation that has become one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry and, as such, is harmful to future U.S. prosperity. This industry’s mission emphasis on prediction and management seems designed around the fatal conceit of planning for the unplannable. That is not to say NOAA is useless, but its current organization corrupts its useful functions. It should be broken up and downsized. NOAA today boasts that it is a provider of environmental information services, a provider of environmental stewardship services, and a leader in applied scientific research. Each of these functions could be provided commercially, likely at lower cost and higher quality. https://envirodatagov.org/project-2025-national-oceanic-and-atmospheric-administration-annotated/ https://envirodatagov.org/project-2025-national-oceanic-and-... Tldr: shut down NOAA to suppress climate change evidence, research, and preparedness; outsource to private industry the remaining parts that are considered directly useful for commerce. Is it any wonder that the CEO of Accuweather Barry Myers was a Trump donor who became a NOAA head administrator appointee in Trump's first term? The appointment fortunately failed. Now they're trying again.
- chamomeal 1y ago
  Oh geez that… that is upsetting
- matthewdgreen 1y ago
  If we survive this, these people will go down in history as monsters.
  - buttercraft 1y ago
    What if they're the ones who survive and rewrite history
    - matthewdgreen 1y ago
      Then they will do everything in their power to pretend that they didn’t drag us into this.
ars 1y ago
No, this was cancelled by congress in 2015 and switched to the JPSS program which is running and active.
- bamboozled 1y ago
  Could more than one thing be goin on?

mason_mpls 1y ago

Don’t look up!

burnt-resistor 1y ago
The timing is just, it's atrocious. Okay, at this very moment, I say we sit tight and assess.
- TheRealPomax 1y ago
  That's what got us here in the first place, maybe stop doing that.
  - dzhiurgis 1y ago
    To where? Stock market ath and free AI for the masses?
  - verandaguy 1y ago
    "Sit tight and assess" as used above is probably a reference to the movie "Don't Look Up" from a few years ago, which (heavy-handedly) parodied administrations like Trump I (and which unortunately seem much less like parody in the Trump II era).
    - TheRealPomax 1y ago
      having literally never heard of this, despite being in North America, it's a good idea to not make assumptions about who's seen which pop culture thing.
- chamomeal 1y ago
  ^ I’m pretty sure this is a quote from the movie Don’t Look Up, if that’s why y’all are downvoting this comment
FireBeyond 1y ago
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genter 1y ago

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detourdog 1y ago
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alwa 1y ago
Accuweather, who also depend on this same USG sensor data for their modeling… I don’t think anybody wins from this. See e.g. https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-support-project-2025-plan-to-fully-commercializing-nws-operations-noaa-has-critical-role-in-american-weather-enterprise/1670156 https://www.accuweather.com/en/press/accuweather-does-not-su...
- Frost1x 1y ago
  Are there other countries with similar weather satellites? I imagine China or the EU likely have some of their own. I know the US has been pushing this for free so plenty of nations likely piggy back off the free data. But I imagine larger ones might want their own redundant services to some degree to avoid vulnerability. If so, they might be benefiting, but that’s about it.
  - tokai 1y ago
    "Since its establishment in 2014, the Copernicus program has received consistent investment from ESA, making it the world’s largest and most advanced open data Earth Observation initiative for climate, disaster, and resource management."[0] Data from the Copernicus program is available for any citizen or organization worldwide. So a lot of free data will still be accessible. [0] https://newsletter.terrawatchspace.com/global-earth-observation-civilian-programs-budgets-and-trends/ https://newsletter.terrawatchspace.com/global-earth-observat...
  - yurishimo 1y ago
    Definitely. The EU has weather satellites and Asia as well. Luckily, they tend to collect data around the entire world but what we lose here is the on-the-ground infrastructure that is woven together with satellite data to give better information about the facts on the ground. Funny enough, this came up in the Netherlands a few months ago. The government released their own mobile app based on the data they collect and the private weather apps got all upset that the government was competing. What made it hilarious though, is that the private companies are all using the open source government data to power their apps! So yea, this data will still be collected in the USA, but then sold to for-profit companies for basically nothing and then they will charge consumers for access to data collected with their collective tax dollars. Pretty messed up imo.

gwerbin 1y ago

Yes. Quoting Projct 225: > Break Up NOAA ... NOAA consists of six main offices ... Together, these form a colossal operation that has become one of the main drivers of the climate change alarm industry and, as such, is harmful to future U.S. prosperity. This industry’s mission emphasis on prediction and management seems designed around the fatal conceit of planning for the unplannable. That is not to say NOAA is useless, but its current organization corrupts its useful functions. It should be broken up and downsized. NOAA today boasts that it is a provider of environmental information services, a provider of environmental stewardship services, and a leader in applied scientific research. Each of these functions could be provided commercially, likely at lower cost and higher quality. https://envirodatagov.org/project-2025-national-oceanic-and-atmospheric-administration-annotated/ https://envirodatagov.org/project-2025-national-oceanic-and-... Tldr: shut down NOAA to suppress climate change evidence, research, and preparedness; outsource to private industry the remaining parts that are considered directly useful for commerce. Is it any wonder that the CEO of Accuweather Barry Myers was a Trump donor who became a NOAA head administrator appointee in Trump's first term? The appointment fortunately failed. Now they're trying again.

chamomeal 1y ago
Oh geez that… that is upsetting
matthewdgreen 1y ago
If we survive this, these people will go down in history as monsters.
- buttercraft 1y ago
  What if they're the ones who survive and rewrite history
  - matthewdgreen 1y ago
    Then they will do everything in their power to pretend that they didn’t drag us into this.

ars 1y ago

No, this was cancelled by congress in 2015 and switched to the JPSS program which is running and active.

bamboozled 1y ago
Could more than one thing be goin on?