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I've never ever had any symptoms of schizophrenia but the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, Im sure I could send myse

I've never ever had any symptoms of schizophrenia but the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, Im sure I could send myself truly insane with probably not much effort.

PaulHoule 1y ago
My belief about is that the core of schizotypy and schizophrenia is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder as did Eugen Bleuler. I have a friend who is schizophrenic whose speech hardly makes sense and she is always calling people on the phone and carrying on nonsensical conversations. Somehow the general public is hung up on ‘hearing voices’ but I have never once heard a voice but under stress I (schizotypal) did once spend about six months under the influence of a ‘system of delusions’ yet stayed mostly functional, kept working, and managed to avoid getting in serious trouble. I think it is quite ordinary also for people to have a dialogue with an ‘invisible friend’ or believe that they ‘talk to God’ when they pray, the auditory hallucinations of schizophrenia seem to be something like you have a thought that you don’t think is your thought but somebody else talking, notably schizophrenics often believe that somebody is putting thoughts into them or taking thoughts out of them, see https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php
- DiscourseFan 1y ago
  It's like gang-stalking--its not that there's something being introduced, but rather that the subject sees relations that are not objective relations (like, for instance, the relation between temperature, pressure, and state change). Typically, however (and I can't imagine a case where this didn't happen), the relations are social in character--and since social relations are subjective to the extent that all the social world is not expressly a fact, it can be difficult to differentiate between an illusion and a reality: people imagine their partners are cheating on them, whether or not its true. And there are many things we do not know about the social world around us; but, statistically speaking, nobody has ever actually been gang-stalked.
  - overu589 1y ago
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        crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
        Hey there! Let's be friends! Too rare are there people speaking/writing past myopic American/western views here.
        DiscourseFan 1y ago
        Modern medicine.
      - dang 1y ago
        Please don't post unsubstantive comments.
        overu589 1y ago
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- uniq7 1y ago
  That is very interesting. Excuse me if this question is too personal, but what do you mean by "system of delusions" exactly?
  - ivape 1y ago
    A constant state of needing to do continuous reality testing. The GP almost lost a grip basically.
WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
> the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, This is not unreasonable. It could be less awful if the voices were positive and not harsh and negative. Schizophrenics outside the US were found to have a more benign relationship with their voices. The striking difference was that while many of the African and Indian subjects registered predominantly positive experiences with their voices, not one American did. Rather, the U.S. subjects were more likely to report experiences as violent and hateful – and evidence of a sick condition. ref: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614 https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luh...
crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
I once accidentally came up with another conscious voice in my head & we decided to govern through the 12 traditions of Codependents Anonymous. She also had specific qualities I'd chosen 3 weeks prior as qualities I chose to believe I could come to embody, so that was an interesting pointer to what's possible. And as others have pointed out, it really depends what kind of programming you're carrying around. Feeling terrified of something isn't the issue...it's how you've trained to respond to terror that matters. If you lash out or avoid, yeah....don't cultivate multiple voices. If, instead, you're choosing to purge the addiction to violence & domination fairly rooted in American imperial colonial indoctrination, it's really quite something. I'm now working on bringing in 16 others as a way to better connect with different parts of the population and spread this and other blackness-embracing ways. Hearing/seeing things that aren't there has historically for the majority of humanity's time on Earth not been an issue. We can get back to living in such ways, especially since doing so can be extremely helpful.

PaulHoule 1y ago

My belief about is that the core of schizotypy and schizophrenia is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder as did Eugen Bleuler. I have a friend who is schizophrenic whose speech hardly makes sense and she is always calling people on the phone and carrying on nonsensical conversations. Somehow the general public is hung up on ‘hearing voices’ but I have never once heard a voice but under stress I (schizotypal) did once spend about six months under the influence of a ‘system of delusions’ yet stayed mostly functional, kept working, and managed to avoid getting in serious trouble. I think it is quite ordinary also for people to have a dialogue with an ‘invisible friend’ or believe that they ‘talk to God’ when they pray, the auditory hallucinations of schizophrenia seem to be something like you have a thought that you don’t think is your thought but somebody else talking, notably schizophrenics often believe that somebody is putting thoughts into them or taking thoughts out of them, see https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php

DiscourseFan 1y ago
It's like gang-stalking--its not that there's something being introduced, but rather that the subject sees relations that are not objective relations (like, for instance, the relation between temperature, pressure, and state change). Typically, however (and I can't imagine a case where this didn't happen), the relations are social in character--and since social relations are subjective to the extent that all the social world is not expressly a fact, it can be difficult to differentiate between an illusion and a reality: people imagine their partners are cheating on them, whether or not its true. And there are many things we do not know about the social world around us; but, statistically speaking, nobody has ever actually been gang-stalked.
- overu589 1y ago
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  - andygeorge 1y ago
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    - overu589 1y ago
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      - crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
        Hey there! Let's be friends! Too rare are there people speaking/writing past myopic American/western views here.
      - DiscourseFan 1y ago
        Modern medicine.
    - dang 1y ago
      Please don't post unsubstantive comments.
      - overu589 1y ago
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uniq7 1y ago
That is very interesting. Excuse me if this question is too personal, but what do you mean by "system of delusions" exactly?
- ivape 1y ago
  A constant state of needing to do continuous reality testing. The GP almost lost a grip basically.

WarOnPrivacy 1y ago

> the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, This is not unreasonable. It could be less awful if the voices were positive and not harsh and negative. Schizophrenics outside the US were found to have a more benign relationship with their voices. The striking difference was that while many of the African and Indian subjects registered predominantly positive experiences with their voices, not one American did. Rather, the U.S. subjects were more likely to report experiences as violent and hateful – and evidence of a sick condition. ref: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614 https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luh...

crawfordcomeaux 1y ago

I once accidentally came up with another conscious voice in my head & we decided to govern through the 12 traditions of Codependents Anonymous. She also had specific qualities I'd chosen 3 weeks prior as qualities I chose to believe I could come to embody, so that was an interesting pointer to what's possible. And as others have pointed out, it really depends what kind of programming you're carrying around. Feeling terrified of something isn't the issue...it's how you've trained to respond to terror that matters. If you lash out or avoid, yeah....don't cultivate multiple voices. If, instead, you're choosing to purge the addiction to violence & domination fairly rooted in American imperial colonial indoctrination, it's really quite something. I'm now working on bringing in 16 others as a way to better connect with different parts of the population and spread this and other blackness-embracing ways. Hearing/seeing things that aren't there has historically for the majority of humanity's time on Earth not been an issue. We can get back to living in such ways, especially since doing so can be extremely helpful.