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It's dangerous to existing systems for people to become aware they're capable of creating/conjuring/channeling useful new voices in the mind to help learn diffe

It's dangerous to existing systems for people to become aware they're capable of creating/conjuring/channeling useful new voices in the mind to help learn different things. People get burned at the stake for that.

bad_haircut72 1y ago
I've never ever had any symptoms of schizophrenia but the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, Im sure I could send myself truly insane with probably not much effort.
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  My belief about is that the core of schizotypy and schizophrenia is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder as did Eugen Bleuler. I have a friend who is schizophrenic whose speech hardly makes sense and she is always calling people on the phone and carrying on nonsensical conversations. Somehow the general public is hung up on ‘hearing voices’ but I have never once heard a voice but under stress I (schizotypal) did once spend about six months under the influence of a ‘system of delusions’ yet stayed mostly functional, kept working, and managed to avoid getting in serious trouble. I think it is quite ordinary also for people to have a dialogue with an ‘invisible friend’ or believe that they ‘talk to God’ when they pray, the auditory hallucinations of schizophrenia seem to be something like you have a thought that you don’t think is your thought but somebody else talking, notably schizophrenics often believe that somebody is putting thoughts into them or taking thoughts out of them, see https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php
  - DiscourseFan 1y ago
    It's like gang-stalking--its not that there's something being introduced, but rather that the subject sees relations that are not objective relations (like, for instance, the relation between temperature, pressure, and state change). Typically, however (and I can't imagine a case where this didn't happen), the relations are social in character--and since social relations are subjective to the extent that all the social world is not expressly a fact, it can be difficult to differentiate between an illusion and a reality: people imagine their partners are cheating on them, whether or not its true. And there are many things we do not know about the social world around us; but, statistically speaking, nobody has ever actually been gang-stalked.
    - overu589 1y ago
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      - andygeorge 1y ago
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        overu589 1y ago
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        crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
        Hey there! Let's be friends! Too rare are there people speaking/writing past myopic American/western views here.
        DiscourseFan 1y ago
        Modern medicine.
        dang 1y ago
        Please don't post unsubstantive comments.
        overu589 1y ago
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  - uniq7 1y ago
    That is very interesting. Excuse me if this question is too personal, but what do you mean by "system of delusions" exactly?
    - ivape 1y ago
      A constant state of needing to do continuous reality testing. The GP almost lost a grip basically.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  > the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, This is not unreasonable. It could be less awful if the voices were positive and not harsh and negative. Schizophrenics outside the US were found to have a more benign relationship with their voices. The striking difference was that while many of the African and Indian subjects registered predominantly positive experiences with their voices, not one American did. Rather, the U.S. subjects were more likely to report experiences as violent and hateful – and evidence of a sick condition. ref: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614 https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luh...
- crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
  I once accidentally came up with another conscious voice in my head & we decided to govern through the 12 traditions of Codependents Anonymous. She also had specific qualities I'd chosen 3 weeks prior as qualities I chose to believe I could come to embody, so that was an interesting pointer to what's possible. And as others have pointed out, it really depends what kind of programming you're carrying around. Feeling terrified of something isn't the issue...it's how you've trained to respond to terror that matters. If you lash out or avoid, yeah....don't cultivate multiple voices. If, instead, you're choosing to purge the addiction to violence & domination fairly rooted in American imperial colonial indoctrination, it's really quite something. I'm now working on bringing in 16 others as a way to better connect with different parts of the population and spread this and other blackness-embracing ways. Hearing/seeing things that aren't there has historically for the majority of humanity's time on Earth not been an issue. We can get back to living in such ways, especially since doing so can be extremely helpful.
PaulHoule 1y ago
Dangerous to the autism-industrial complex and as well as the addictive stimulant industry.
- WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
  > addictive stimulant industry. Whom I thank every day for repairing my retention processes, just enough that lessons become learning.
- amanaplanacanal 1y ago
  Is this supposed to be some kind of diss for adhd stimulant therapy?
  - PaulHoule 1y ago
    Gotta a friend who’s 52 and has all his teeth rot out 10 years ago. He goes to Wegmans every month and comes back with a pill bottle the size of a small trashcan. He says he could get nothing done without out but I don’t see him getting anything done. Wouldn’t be surprised if will fall and break his hip 20 years early. I’ve seen plenty of those pills get diverted with outcomes like somebody stays up for 4 days and gets hospitalized so, yeah, I want to diss ADHD medication. It is clear it helps in the short term, not so clear if it helps in the long term.
    - fragmede 1y ago
      How scientific.
      - PaulHoule 1y ago
        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35091797/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35091797/
        WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
        Even that very limited study didn't link stim use to poor teeth - at all. As far as study went, this was it. • Stimulant ADHD medication use in adults is associated with decreased bone mineral in the skull and thoracic spine. • No other areas of axial or appendicular skeleton showed significant differences. • There was no dose-response effect between stimulant medication use and bone mineral density. • The overall effect of stimulant medications on adult bone health is unclear. ref: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9062265/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9062265/

bad_haircut72 1y ago

I've never ever had any symptoms of schizophrenia but the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, Im sure I could send myself truly insane with probably not much effort.

PaulHoule 1y ago
My belief about is that the core of schizotypy and schizophrenia is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_disorder as did Eugen Bleuler. I have a friend who is schizophrenic whose speech hardly makes sense and she is always calling people on the phone and carrying on nonsensical conversations. Somehow the general public is hung up on ‘hearing voices’ but I have never once heard a voice but under stress I (schizotypal) did once spend about six months under the influence of a ‘system of delusions’ yet stayed mostly functional, kept working, and managed to avoid getting in serious trouble. I think it is quite ordinary also for people to have a dialogue with an ‘invisible friend’ or believe that they ‘talk to God’ when they pray, the auditory hallucinations of schizophrenia seem to be something like you have a thought that you don’t think is your thought but somebody else talking, notably schizophrenics often believe that somebody is putting thoughts into them or taking thoughts out of them, see https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php https://www.theairloom.org/mindcontrol.php
- DiscourseFan 1y ago
  It's like gang-stalking--its not that there's something being introduced, but rather that the subject sees relations that are not objective relations (like, for instance, the relation between temperature, pressure, and state change). Typically, however (and I can't imagine a case where this didn't happen), the relations are social in character--and since social relations are subjective to the extent that all the social world is not expressly a fact, it can be difficult to differentiate between an illusion and a reality: people imagine their partners are cheating on them, whether or not its true. And there are many things we do not know about the social world around us; but, statistically speaking, nobody has ever actually been gang-stalked.
  - overu589 1y ago
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    - andygeorge 1y ago
      [flagged]
      - overu589 1y ago
        [flagged]
        crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
        Hey there! Let's be friends! Too rare are there people speaking/writing past myopic American/western views here.
        DiscourseFan 1y ago
        Modern medicine.
      - dang 1y ago
        Please don't post unsubstantive comments.
        overu589 1y ago
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- uniq7 1y ago
  That is very interesting. Excuse me if this question is too personal, but what do you mean by "system of delusions" exactly?
  - ivape 1y ago
    A constant state of needing to do continuous reality testing. The GP almost lost a grip basically.
WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
> the idea of trying to consciously encourage myself hearing voices is terrifying, This is not unreasonable. It could be less awful if the voices were positive and not harsh and negative. Schizophrenics outside the US were found to have a more benign relationship with their voices. The striking difference was that while many of the African and Indian subjects registered predominantly positive experiences with their voices, not one American did. Rather, the U.S. subjects were more likely to report experiences as violent and hateful – and evidence of a sick condition. ref: https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luhrmann-071614 https://news.stanford.edu/stories/2014/07/voices-culture-luh...
crawfordcomeaux 1y ago
I once accidentally came up with another conscious voice in my head & we decided to govern through the 12 traditions of Codependents Anonymous. She also had specific qualities I'd chosen 3 weeks prior as qualities I chose to believe I could come to embody, so that was an interesting pointer to what's possible. And as others have pointed out, it really depends what kind of programming you're carrying around. Feeling terrified of something isn't the issue...it's how you've trained to respond to terror that matters. If you lash out or avoid, yeah....don't cultivate multiple voices. If, instead, you're choosing to purge the addiction to violence & domination fairly rooted in American imperial colonial indoctrination, it's really quite something. I'm now working on bringing in 16 others as a way to better connect with different parts of the population and spread this and other blackness-embracing ways. Hearing/seeing things that aren't there has historically for the majority of humanity's time on Earth not been an issue. We can get back to living in such ways, especially since doing so can be extremely helpful.

PaulHoule 1y ago

Dangerous to the autism-industrial complex and as well as the addictive stimulant industry.

WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
> addictive stimulant industry. Whom I thank every day for repairing my retention processes, just enough that lessons become learning.
amanaplanacanal 1y ago
Is this supposed to be some kind of diss for adhd stimulant therapy?
- PaulHoule 1y ago
  Gotta a friend who’s 52 and has all his teeth rot out 10 years ago. He goes to Wegmans every month and comes back with a pill bottle the size of a small trashcan. He says he could get nothing done without out but I don’t see him getting anything done. Wouldn’t be surprised if will fall and break his hip 20 years early. I’ve seen plenty of those pills get diverted with outcomes like somebody stays up for 4 days and gets hospitalized so, yeah, I want to diss ADHD medication. It is clear it helps in the short term, not so clear if it helps in the long term.
  - fragmede 1y ago
    How scientific.
    - PaulHoule 1y ago
      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35091797/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35091797/
      - WarOnPrivacy 1y ago
        Even that very limited study didn't link stim use to poor teeth - at all. As far as study went, this was it. • Stimulant ADHD medication use in adults is associated with decreased bone mineral in the skull and thoracic spine. • No other areas of axial or appendicular skeleton showed significant differences. • There was no dose-response effect between stimulant medication use and bone mineral density. • The overall effect of stimulant medications on adult bone health is unclear. ref: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9062265/ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9062265/