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I see the evidence to the contrary. SpaceX took years to develop and debug their own engine, from scratch. Highly specialized work. They proud themselves of n

I see the evidence to the contrary. SpaceX took years to develop and debug their own engine, from scratch. Highly specialized work. They proud themselves of not relying on external supply chains, and doing everything in house. The refurbishment of boosters is very much what I described earlier "you don't throw away good stuff, you maintain it". So, in a sense, you went around your own argument without noticing and proved my point.

TeMPOraL 1y ago
I think you need to look closer on what SpaceX does, how it does it, and why. The degree of vertical integration lets them optimize production of the boosters. They're not throwaway things, but they're not pets either. They streamline production of parts as much as possible - but the point of reusability is to cut costs by orders of magnitude, and increase launch cadence, all of which created conditions for the rest of the space industry to scale up production. In short: SpaceX not throwing away boosters enables everyone else to throw away satellites. SpaceX, too - consider the size of the Starlink constellations. These are not hand-made "pets". Also consider their entire philosophy that led to reusable F9s: just keep launching, let shit explode, because throwing away more means making more gets cheaper, and learning gets faster. Even as they're an actual, well-tested product, reusability is still a book-keeping thing. They don't worry much about losing a booster or three, they can just make more - it's just more flights per booster on average -> lower costs for everyone. And then also look at where they're heading: Starship is basically a steel can with some engines on top. The reasoning is similar: they need to be cheap to make at scale.
- alganet 1y ago
  This degree of vertical integration is missing from any of the AI examples you mentioned. The example you provided, the QR code generator, presents none of those qualities. You used multiple AIs from different vendors (according to you: Sonnet and Gemini), a middleman (Aider), to produce a product that is not vertically integrated (uses qrious). Meanwhile, qemu depends only on a tight set of dependencies (gcc, glib2, everything else optional). They are actually a good case of vertical integration. In my opinion, you got it all reversed. -- Starship is a terrible example. After failing to produce composite materials in house using an automated process, they hired specialized metal workers to do the body in steel, by hand. Again, it favors my line of reasoning that commoditization has many limitations. -- You are also drifting away from the subject drastically, again. I have to constantly pull you in and remember you that we're talking about software first. Not only you left the qemu subject, but now you forgotten that your own qr-generator _that you have chosen to showcase here_ has many of the failures you're now pointing at. If you're only trying to leave with the last word, you're making it embarassing.

TeMPOraL 1y ago

I think you need to look closer on what SpaceX does, how it does it, and why. The degree of vertical integration lets them optimize production of the boosters. They're not throwaway things, but they're not pets either. They streamline production of parts as much as possible - but the point of reusability is to cut costs by orders of magnitude, and increase launch cadence, all of which created conditions for the rest of the space industry to scale up production. In short: SpaceX not throwing away boosters enables everyone else to throw away satellites. SpaceX, too - consider the size of the Starlink constellations. These are not hand-made "pets". Also consider their entire philosophy that led to reusable F9s: just keep launching, let shit explode, because throwing away more means making more gets cheaper, and learning gets faster. Even as they're an actual, well-tested product, reusability is still a book-keeping thing. They don't worry much about losing a booster or three, they can just make more - it's just more flights per booster on average -> lower costs for everyone. And then also look at where they're heading: Starship is basically a steel can with some engines on top. The reasoning is similar: they need to be cheap to make at scale.

alganet 1y ago
This degree of vertical integration is missing from any of the AI examples you mentioned. The example you provided, the QR code generator, presents none of those qualities. You used multiple AIs from different vendors (according to you: Sonnet and Gemini), a middleman (Aider), to produce a product that is not vertically integrated (uses qrious). Meanwhile, qemu depends only on a tight set of dependencies (gcc, glib2, everything else optional). They are actually a good case of vertical integration. In my opinion, you got it all reversed. -- Starship is a terrible example. After failing to produce composite materials in house using an automated process, they hired specialized metal workers to do the body in steel, by hand. Again, it favors my line of reasoning that commoditization has many limitations. -- You are also drifting away from the subject drastically, again. I have to constantly pull you in and remember you that we're talking about software first. Not only you left the qemu subject, but now you forgotten that your own qr-generator _that you have chosen to showcase here_ has many of the failures you're now pointing at. If you're only trying to leave with the last word, you're making it embarassing.