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Hum... when I look at pictures of the very thorough destruction in Gaza (hospitals, civilians etc) it would seem that the israelis think "Remove Hamas" actually

• coryrc 1y ago
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  • realo 1y ago
    Ah ... I understand your point. All those jew death camps in Gaza must be closed down, for sure. All those Gaza tanks and those Gaza fighter jets must be taken down. And don't forget the Gaza navy patrolling the sea, preventing the israelis from fishing for their subsistence. Totally agree with you. Now... back to reality...
    • JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      It’s absolutely the case that Hamas hasn’t sued for peace with unconditional surrender. (Or recognised that the hostages confer leverage on Israel, not themselves.) Both Hamas and Israel remain belligerents in this conflict until one of them withdraws or surrenders, that’s just how war works. There are a lot of atrocities being committed in this conflict. But bombing a school that was used as a missile launch site really isn’t one of them.
      • ngcazz 1y ago
        Who is committing the atrocities?
        • JumpCrisscross 1y ago
          > Who is committing the atrocities? Mostly Israel due to a firepower disadvantage. But Hamas seems to be about as into committing war crimes as Netanyahu. In terms of indifference to suffering, the people dying are in Gaza. Not Israel. Hamas should be suing for peace, not posturing because some fucks in Doha would prefer to punt the question. (Palestine unilaterally turning over its hostages would rob Israel of a tremendous amount of leverage.)
  • mousethatroared 1y ago
    Dresden made the Germans surrender? We're really going with that now? Not the Soviets taking Berlin and Hitler blowing his brains out lest they capture him? Also, the Germans sent untrained 15 year olds to fight Soviet tanks. That's as close to total battlefield defeat as has ever happened in history.
  • aleph_minus_one 1y ago
    > Germany surrendered, so we stopped bombing Dresden. And no British person was pubished as war criminal for the war crime of attacking Dresden. :-(
  • lo_zamoyski 1y ago
    For the record, the firebombing of Dresden was indefensible. I say this as someone whose family endured 6 years of Nazi German and Soviet crimes, including genocide, violence, rape, large scale looting and destruction of cultural heritage, and mass destruction of cities (85% of Warsaw alone was reduced to rubble, intentionally and systematically). Why do I mention that? I mention that to underscore that just war is not utilitarian. You cannot justify Dresden or Hiroshima or Nagasaki. It doesn't mean you can't take strong measures, or that circumstances don't make a difference, only that the circumstances did not morally justify these acts. And it seems that the behavior of the Allies in Dresden and Hiroshima serve as precedent that is used to justify crimes like the leveling of Gaza and treating its civilians like cattle.
    • coryrc 1y ago
      We stopped dropping bombs on Germany after they surrendered. If you are militarily defeated, then surrender typically results in the bombs stop dropping... unless your catchphrase is "from the river to the sea, Palestine will be Arab" -- I probably wouldn't surrender to those guys or Russians.
      • lo_zamoyski 1y ago
        The bombing of civilians was never justified in the first place!
• dzhiurgis 1y ago
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• chipsrafferty 1y ago
  They think Palestinian = Hamas