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A state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere. In fact, it appears to be the opposite, based on historical fact. Th

A state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere. In fact, it appears to be the opposite, based on historical fact. There are also Jewish communities that live peacefully with dignity in Iran.

edanm 1y ago
> A state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere. In fact, it appears to be the opposite, based on historical fact. Whatever else you think, this is some massive misunderstanding of history. Historically, the lack of a state for Jews was one of the main reasons Jews experienced the Holocaust, which originated the term Genocide. Half of the Jewish population, making up (iirc) 90% of the population of Europe, died, because they had nowhere else to go. And of the ones that survived, they still had nowhere else to go, no one wanted to take them in. The only place they could go, and what was agreed to worldwide, was to go to then-Palestine. Then, the hundreds of thousands of Jews "living peacefully" in Arab countries were ethnically cleansed from their countries, which they'd lived in for generations, and also largely had nowhere to go except Palestine.
nathanlied 1y ago
There are Jewish communities within Iran, yes. But peacefully? https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2025-06-27/ty-article/.premium/iran-cracks-down-on-jewish-community-on-suspicion-of-ties-to-israel-activist-group-says/00000197-b0b8-dd94-addf-b3f9caae0000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2025-06-27/ty-... (archive: https://archive.is/0qEg9 https://archive.is/0qEg9) One could blame this crackdown on Israel, sure. But that absolves the countries perpetuating persecution of Jews from their own share of responsibility in it. After all, when the American Government interned all those Japanese-Americans - did we blame Japan for it, or did we rightfully blame the American government? I do not seek to defend Israel's actions against the Palestinian people, but to say that the Jews live "peacefully and with dignity" in places where they often are scapegoated, persecuted, and killed out of hand is not the way. Look at what happened to the Jewish populations of the region between the 40s and now, and you will see a grim picture of persecution, killings, and exodus.
- cultofmetatron 1y ago
  nettanyahu has tried to bribe iranian jews to come to israel. they've chosen not to so I can't imagine its that bad for them there. additionally, iranian jews have positionsof power in government and mandated representation. it would be a very easy argument to make that iranian jews in iran are treated much better than non jewish palestinians have ever been treated in israel.
  - ffin 1y ago
    source?
    - cultofmetatron 1y ago
      > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews " In July 2007, Iran's Jewish community rejected financial emigration incentives to leave Iran. Offers ranging from 5,000 to 30,000 British pounds, financed by a wealthy expatriate Jew with the support of the Israeli government, were turned down by Iran's Jewish leaders.[90][106][107] To place the incentives in perspective, the sums offered were up to 3 times or more than the average annual income for an Iranian.[108] However, in late 2007 at least forty Iranian Jews accepted financial incentives offered by Jewish charities for immigrating to Israel.[109]"
      - slt2021 1y ago
        Israel literally bombed their own jews in Iraq to force them to relocate to israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bo...
        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        “Those who assign responsibility for the bombings to an Israeli or Iraqi Zionist underground movement suggest the motive was to encourage Iraqi Jews to immigrate to Israel.” You’re stating a supposition as a fact.
breppp 1y ago
> A state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere. In fact, it appears to be the opposite, based on historical fact That's not my take from 2000 years of Jewish prosecution, in muslim countries or europe
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere Sort of irrelevant. The state of Israel exists. Israelis who call that land their home exist. Those calling for the destruction of Israel are advocating for a holy war in the Levant. A war that would lead to hundreds of thousands if not millions of casualties.

edanm 1y ago

> A state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere. In fact, it appears to be the opposite, based on historical fact. Whatever else you think, this is some massive misunderstanding of history. Historically, the lack of a state for Jews was one of the main reasons Jews experienced the Holocaust, which originated the term Genocide. Half of the Jewish population, making up (iirc) 90% of the population of Europe, died, because they had nowhere else to go. And of the ones that survived, they still had nowhere else to go, no one wanted to take them in. The only place they could go, and what was agreed to worldwide, was to go to then-Palestine. Then, the hundreds of thousands of Jews "living peacefully" in Arab countries were ethnically cleansed from their countries, which they'd lived in for generations, and also largely had nowhere to go except Palestine.

nathanlied 1y ago

There are Jewish communities within Iran, yes. But peacefully? https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2025-06-27/ty-article/.premium/iran-cracks-down-on-jewish-community-on-suspicion-of-ties-to-israel-activist-group-says/00000197-b0b8-dd94-addf-b3f9caae0000 https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/iran/2025-06-27/ty-... (archive: https://archive.is/0qEg9 https://archive.is/0qEg9) One could blame this crackdown on Israel, sure. But that absolves the countries perpetuating persecution of Jews from their own share of responsibility in it. After all, when the American Government interned all those Japanese-Americans - did we blame Japan for it, or did we rightfully blame the American government? I do not seek to defend Israel's actions against the Palestinian people, but to say that the Jews live "peacefully and with dignity" in places where they often are scapegoated, persecuted, and killed out of hand is not the way. Look at what happened to the Jewish populations of the region between the 40s and now, and you will see a grim picture of persecution, killings, and exodus.

cultofmetatron 1y ago
nettanyahu has tried to bribe iranian jews to come to israel. they've chosen not to so I can't imagine its that bad for them there. additionally, iranian jews have positionsof power in government and mandated representation. it would be a very easy argument to make that iranian jews in iran are treated much better than non jewish palestinians have ever been treated in israel.
- ffin 1y ago
  source?
  - cultofmetatron 1y ago
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Jews " In July 2007, Iran's Jewish community rejected financial emigration incentives to leave Iran. Offers ranging from 5,000 to 30,000 British pounds, financed by a wealthy expatriate Jew with the support of the Israeli government, were turned down by Iran's Jewish leaders.[90][106][107] To place the incentives in perspective, the sums offered were up to 3 times or more than the average annual income for an Iranian.[108] However, in late 2007 at least forty Iranian Jews accepted financial incentives offered by Jewish charities for immigrating to Israel.[109]"
    - slt2021 1y ago
      Israel literally bombed their own jews in Iraq to force them to relocate to israel https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bombings https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1950%E2%80%931951_Baghdad_bo...
      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        “Those who assign responsibility for the bombings to an Israeli or Iraqi Zionist underground movement suggest the motive was to encourage Iraqi Jews to immigrate to Israel.” You’re stating a supposition as a fact.

breppp 1y ago

> A state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere. In fact, it appears to be the opposite, based on historical fact That's not my take from 2000 years of Jewish prosecution, in muslim countries or europe

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> state named "Israel" is not a prerequisite for Jewish people to live peacefully anywhere Sort of irrelevant. The state of Israel exists. Israelis who call that land their home exist. Those calling for the destruction of Israel are advocating for a holy war in the Levant. A war that would lead to hundreds of thousands if not millions of casualties.