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Alternatives such as the Fediverse are doing just fine, despite HN's categorical rejection of anything that doesn't match the big corporate platforms in scale a

by krapp 1y ago

Alternatives such as the Fediverse are doing just fine, despite HN's categorical rejection of anything that doesn't match the big corporate platforms in scale and revenue as "viable."

righthand 1y ago
You have to accept that attitude exists here because HN is a forum hosted by a VC firm. The reality is that the fediverse doesn't really have a huge economic impact and the people who swim around the capitalism waters think that stinks. Even though the fediverse by default is perfectly fine this way.
p2detar 1y ago
My impression about Fedi is that it’s much bigger than most people think it is, but those who are in it don’t like talking about it a lot.
- krapp 1y ago
  The more people know about it, the faster it gets ruined. An unfortunate law of nature. Luckily the fediverse already seems to push away a lot of trolls, bigots and capitalists, but it's just a matter of time.
  - p2detar 1y ago
    While I agree that untamed capitalism causes nothing but damage to our societies, I do not agree that replacing one ideology with another does us any good. I have noticed a good chunk of Mastodon users signing as „communists“ in their profiles but I’m yet to understand what exactly they mean by that. Edit: FWIW I come from a country where people considered themselves communists. Grandpa of my better half has a red star on their grave cross. IMHO ideologies are somewhat fucking people up.
    - krapp 1y ago
      By "capitalists" I meant people who only want to use the fediverse as a commercial platform like an influencer or entrepreneur. Thus far platforms using the fediverse aren't as optimized for addiction and emotional manipulation as mainstream social media platforms are, so they remain unattractive to those interests. But yes, there are a lot of self-described communists, socialists, anarchists and other leftist types there as well.
phendrenad2 1y ago
Yes, and the success of fediverse, despite being hard to get into, is a testament to how much people in general want to escape being cannibalized by Meta for shareholder value. There just aren't good alternatives, because of attitudes like you can see here on HN, and investors being incredibly paranoid right now.

by krapp 1y ago

Alternatives such as the Fediverse are doing just fine, despite HN's categorical rejection of anything that doesn't match the big corporate platforms in scale and revenue as "viable."

righthand 1y ago

You have to accept that attitude exists here because HN is a forum hosted by a VC firm. The reality is that the fediverse doesn't really have a huge economic impact and the people who swim around the capitalism waters think that stinks. Even though the fediverse by default is perfectly fine this way.

p2detar 1y ago

My impression about Fedi is that it’s much bigger than most people think it is, but those who are in it don’t like talking about it a lot.

krapp 1y ago
The more people know about it, the faster it gets ruined. An unfortunate law of nature. Luckily the fediverse already seems to push away a lot of trolls, bigots and capitalists, but it's just a matter of time.
- p2detar 1y ago
  While I agree that untamed capitalism causes nothing but damage to our societies, I do not agree that replacing one ideology with another does us any good. I have noticed a good chunk of Mastodon users signing as „communists“ in their profiles but I’m yet to understand what exactly they mean by that. Edit: FWIW I come from a country where people considered themselves communists. Grandpa of my better half has a red star on their grave cross. IMHO ideologies are somewhat fucking people up.
  - krapp 1y ago
    By "capitalists" I meant people who only want to use the fediverse as a commercial platform like an influencer or entrepreneur. Thus far platforms using the fediverse aren't as optimized for addiction and emotional manipulation as mainstream social media platforms are, so they remain unattractive to those interests. But yes, there are a lot of self-described communists, socialists, anarchists and other leftist types there as well.

phendrenad2 1y ago

Yes, and the success of fediverse, despite being hard to get into, is a testament to how much people in general want to escape being cannibalized by Meta for shareholder value. There just aren't good alternatives, because of attitudes like you can see here on HN, and investors being incredibly paranoid right now.