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Windows 10 was marketed with the promise of being the "last version of windows" by microsoft employees. Personally I think they should be held to that promise,
by gpm 1y ago
Windows 10 was marketed with the promise of being the "last version of windows" by microsoft employees. Personally I think they should be held to that promise, at least in so far as supporting it as long as they still support any other version of windows.
The upgrade to windows 11 is not free in so far as it doesn't support the hardware that people have.
- octo888 1y ago> Windows 10 was marketed with the promise of being the "last version of windows" by microsoft employees It was just that - marketing! To get a load of people to migrate to it, right? "Do it guys, it's the last one you'll need to do, we promise" Trust Microsoft? Not even once
- cjbgkagh 1y agoMicrosoft made the announcement through very trusted Microsoft media experts which they have since burned. I remember their emphatic assurances at the time but didn’t believe them.
- vel0city 1y agoThey made the announcement from one guy saying it once when giving a talk on developing LiveTiles.
- cjbgkagh 1y agoI previously worked at MS so asked friends about it and they agreed that there was an attempt to foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally. If that impression gets out and is not countered then it’s a tacit acceptance. MS burns people all the time so we figured it would be another example of that. Just this time it’s more regular people and not just devs and partners. Some people internally and externally legitimately believed that people would pay $100 p.a. to use windows. Had that worked they might have kept the subscription model going. Office 365 is an example of that model working. It was also part of the billion devices push to make the case for the Microsoft App Store which we knew was in trouble, it seemed like a deliberate attempt to sacrifice long term trust for a short term gain.
- vel0city 1y ago> foster the impression of windows as a SAAS both internally and externally Which is a real product they really do sell so yeah that makes sense.
- cjbgkagh 1y agoThat did help the make the premise more believable, the problem occurs when a low cost laptop of $500 and lasting 5 years would result in $500 for the cost of the operating system (5 * $100), instead of the OEM cost $20-60 once off. It's difficult to market segment along this axis because the way the low end of the market lowers the cost is by stretching out the upgrades. It's hard to segment on the p.a. cost basis because it causes the people paying the higher rates rightfully want to know why - and there really isn't a good answer beyond they have more money. Allowing forever upgrades without a subscription would mean that Microsoft would basically be giving up most of the money on the low end market segment, which would have been a nice principled thing to do. There are strategic reasons why this could be a good thing to do but it's hard to say no to giant piles of money even if you already have giant piles of money so we were certain Microsoft wasn't going to stick to this principle.
- meowkit 1y agoIt wasn’t marketed that way. It was a throwaway line that became a meme at Ignite back in 2015 It was meant to convey the change in delivery model for Windows updates. Windows 10 and 11 are the same kernel from a CI/CD perspective, just run winver and see for yourself. The Win10 and Win11 paint jobs are not something the engineers have any power over.
- gpm 1y agoA Microsoft employee tasked with public relations declaring it so at a Microsoft event in front of the press is Microsoft marketing it that way.
- vel0city 1y agoA Microsoft employee tasked with teaching devs how to write LiveTiles.
- gpm 1y agoI.e. an official Microsoft representative, again, in front of the press, said it. It was repeated ad nauseam by the press and they made no attempt to correct it - in fact they went around getting the press to say similar things like "Once your device is upgraded to Windows 10, it will continue to be supported for the lifetime of the device at no cost". That's an official binding statement on the company if I ever did see one. https://globalnews.ca/news/2135677/what-you-need-to-know-before-upgrading-to-windows-10/ https://globalnews.ca/news/2135677/what-you-need-to-know-bef...