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Desalination is not just about power, you've have to build and maintain the thing. There are consumables as well.

igor47 1y ago
Also, the brine. Though I assume if water becomes scarce enough, we'll just dump the brine back into the environment and nature be damned as per usual
- GeoAtreides 1y ago
  Brine can be piped to deeper depths, or just diluted before dumping, the cost is increased energy demand
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- BurningFrog 1y ago
  Dumping concentrated ocean water back into the ocean just can't be a big problem.
- danaris 1y ago
  Doesn't brine contain appreciable amounts of lithium—which is highly in demand? Couldn't it be further dried out to harvest that lithium for sale?
HappyPanacea 1y ago
According [0], you need 1451 liter per kg of beef. Sorek B will cost $0.41/m3 [1] so water cost will be 0.59$, cheapest beef I could find in quick google here in Israel is $17.68 per kg so 3.3% increase. [0]: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food [1]: https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/can-desalination-save-a-drying-world/?cf-view https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/can-desalination-save-a-dr...
daneel_w 1y ago
The Saudis don't seem to have a problem getting it done.
- fulafel 1y ago
  How much fruit and vegetable agriculture (topic of the article) are they doing with their desalinated water? Hopefully none as they generate 99+% of their electricity from oil+gas and the climate impact from it would be atrocious.
  - daneel_w 1y ago
    I don't know. Here are some numbers to plug into your calculator: "The country's water needs were estimated at 24.8 billion m³ in 2015, with an average fixed annual growth rate of 7 percent. With 84 percent of the total water demand, the agricultural sector is the largest consumer of water in the country." "In 2015, these plants had a total production capacity of 6.28 million m³ per day, which increased to 7.4 million m³ per day by 2020. By 2024, the combined production from both public and private desalination plants reached approximately 11.5 million m³ per day." https://saudipedia.com/en/article/2549/government-and-politics/water-and-agriculture/production-of-desalinated-water-in-saudi-arabia https://saudipedia.com/en/article/2549/government-and-politi...
  - fmajid 1y ago
    No, they bought huge quantities of senior water rights in California and are shipping alfalfa grown there back to Saudi, essentially laundering water.

Also, the brine. Though I assume if water becomes scarce enough, we'll just dump the brine back into the environment and nature be damned as per usual

GeoAtreides 1y ago
Brine can be piped to deeper depths, or just diluted before dumping, the cost is increased energy demand
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BurningFrog 1y ago
Dumping concentrated ocean water back into the ocean just can't be a big problem.
danaris 1y ago
Doesn't brine contain appreciable amounts of lithium—which is highly in demand? Couldn't it be further dried out to harvest that lithium for sale?

HappyPanacea 1y ago

According [0], you need 1451 liter per kg of beef. Sorek B will cost $0.41/m3 [1] so water cost will be 0.59$, cheapest beef I could find in quick google here in Israel is $17.68 per kg so 3.3% increase. [0]: https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food https://ourworldindata.org/environmental-impacts-of-food [1]: https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/can-desalination-save-a-drying-world/?cf-view https://www.energymonitor.ai/tech/can-desalination-save-a-dr...

daneel_w 1y ago

The Saudis don't seem to have a problem getting it done.

fulafel 1y ago
How much fruit and vegetable agriculture (topic of the article) are they doing with their desalinated water? Hopefully none as they generate 99+% of their electricity from oil+gas and the climate impact from it would be atrocious.
- daneel_w 1y ago
  I don't know. Here are some numbers to plug into your calculator: "The country's water needs were estimated at 24.8 billion m³ in 2015, with an average fixed annual growth rate of 7 percent. With 84 percent of the total water demand, the agricultural sector is the largest consumer of water in the country." "In 2015, these plants had a total production capacity of 6.28 million m³ per day, which increased to 7.4 million m³ per day by 2020. By 2024, the combined production from both public and private desalination plants reached approximately 11.5 million m³ per day." https://saudipedia.com/en/article/2549/government-and-politics/water-and-agriculture/production-of-desalinated-water-in-saudi-arabia https://saudipedia.com/en/article/2549/government-and-politi...
- fmajid 1y ago
  No, they bought huge quantities of senior water rights in California and are shipping alfalfa grown there back to Saudi, essentially laundering water.