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Please keep in mind that the people who are anti-story are the same folks who view human interaction as a “problem to be solved”. They’re the outliers in societ

Please keep in mind that the people who are anti-story are the same folks who view human interaction as a “problem to be solved”. They’re the outliers in society who make the rest of our lives easier. But they have gained way too much power in this world and are intent on dooming us all to their cold, dark, inhuman world.

bitwize 1y ago
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- golly_ned 1y ago
  How was the comment ableist?
  - bitwize 1y ago
    Oblique references to autism and autistic individuals. Perhaps my sensitivity to such things is a little too high.
- gausswho 1y ago
  A million years ago around a campfire, I watched grandpa try to tell my child his favorite story. It wasn't going smoothly as he would like. I lovingly watched him persist. At some point he sighed and met my sympathetic gaze. It was time to kick embers and turn in.
  - FredPret 1y ago
    Maybe it’s the pacing of the article that’s off. Feels like it’s wasting one’s time with self-indulgent prose. The short story in your comment, OTOH, is very much better. I can see the scene, my mind has filled in some details, and it took only a couple seconds to read.
    - gausswho 1y ago
      I think pacing is more aptly the issue than narrative. Perhaps even more specifically, the load-bearing first couple sentences dive right into establishing a complex setting before any other context is established. Even as I may enjoy narrative, I rarely enjoy effortful fumbling around in the dark unless it's with Joseph Conrad or Vladimir Nabokov.
- dang 1y ago
  Can you please not cross into personal attack or general nastiness, even when an article is bad or you feel it is? We're trying for something else on this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
  - bitwize 1y ago
    So if I dressed my insults up in purple prose like the comment I was responding to, or the parent of that comment, did -- would that be "the kind of discussion we try to foster here on HN"?
    - dang 1y ago
      That doesn't sound like a good-faith question to me. We've asked you many times to stop breaking the site guidelines. If you keep doing it, we are going to ban you. This is getting absurd: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43875721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43875721 (May 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35535148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35535148 (April 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30275888 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30275888 (Feb 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29212633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29212633 (Nov 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418766 (March 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25563542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25563542 (Dec 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22050749 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22050749 (Jan 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20356769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20356769 (July 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20350618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20350618 (July 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20054704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20054704 (May 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18797087 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18797087 (Dec 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18114166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18114166 (Oct 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18034335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18034335 (Sept 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17517586 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17517586 (July 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14577510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14577510 (June 2017) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13970380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13970380 (March 2017)
nopelynopington 1y ago
I am not anti story. I am in fact, a fiction writer. I live for stories. But there's a time and a place. And I think pigeonholing everyone who opines "tldr" as some sort of robotic fascist who wants all human discourse in binary or whatever is reductionist and moronic. I'm not burning books, I just thought an article should get to the bloody point
vinceguidry 1y ago
> Please keep in mind that the people who are anti-story are the same folks who view human interaction as a “problem to be solved”. Yes. But your next statement is nonsense. > They’re the outliers in society who make the rest of our lives easier. Nothing about Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg made our lives easier. All they've done is made the social contract worse, making our lives harder, not easier. They've given lucrative jobs to a few, but all their market offerings gave the world is distraction and misery, in the case of Facebook, and flashy status symbols to chase, in the case of Tesla. They crowded out the market for competitors, so people can't have truly useful solutions to the problems Zuck and Musk claimed to solve. Ask yourself why Chinese electric cars would be banned from the US market and you're getting there. Musk bought a social network with the explicit aim of making it worse, and more than succeeded.

bitwize 1y ago

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golly_ned 1y ago
How was the comment ableist?
- bitwize 1y ago
  Oblique references to autism and autistic individuals. Perhaps my sensitivity to such things is a little too high.
gausswho 1y ago
A million years ago around a campfire, I watched grandpa try to tell my child his favorite story. It wasn't going smoothly as he would like. I lovingly watched him persist. At some point he sighed and met my sympathetic gaze. It was time to kick embers and turn in.
- FredPret 1y ago
  Maybe it’s the pacing of the article that’s off. Feels like it’s wasting one’s time with self-indulgent prose. The short story in your comment, OTOH, is very much better. I can see the scene, my mind has filled in some details, and it took only a couple seconds to read.
  - gausswho 1y ago
    I think pacing is more aptly the issue than narrative. Perhaps even more specifically, the load-bearing first couple sentences dive right into establishing a complex setting before any other context is established. Even as I may enjoy narrative, I rarely enjoy effortful fumbling around in the dark unless it's with Joseph Conrad or Vladimir Nabokov.
dang 1y ago
Can you please not cross into personal attack or general nastiness, even when an article is bad or you feel it is? We're trying for something else on this site. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- bitwize 1y ago
  So if I dressed my insults up in purple prose like the comment I was responding to, or the parent of that comment, did -- would that be "the kind of discussion we try to foster here on HN"?
  - dang 1y ago
    That doesn't sound like a good-faith question to me. We've asked you many times to stop breaking the site guidelines. If you keep doing it, we are going to ban you. This is getting absurd: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43875721 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43875721 (May 2025) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35535148 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35535148 (April 2023) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30275888 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30275888 (Feb 2022) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29212633 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29212633 (Nov 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418766 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26418766 (March 2021) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25563542 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25563542 (Dec 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22050749 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22050749 (Jan 2020) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20356769 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20356769 (July 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20350618 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20350618 (July 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20054704 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20054704 (May 2019) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18797087 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18797087 (Dec 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18114166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18114166 (Oct 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18034335 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18034335 (Sept 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17517586 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17517586 (July 2018) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14577510 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14577510 (June 2017) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13970380 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13970380 (March 2017)

nopelynopington 1y ago

I am not anti story. I am in fact, a fiction writer. I live for stories. But there's a time and a place. And I think pigeonholing everyone who opines "tldr" as some sort of robotic fascist who wants all human discourse in binary or whatever is reductionist and moronic. I'm not burning books, I just thought an article should get to the bloody point

vinceguidry 1y ago

> Please keep in mind that the people who are anti-story are the same folks who view human interaction as a “problem to be solved”. Yes. But your next statement is nonsense. > They’re the outliers in society who make the rest of our lives easier. Nothing about Elon Musk or Mark Zuckerberg made our lives easier. All they've done is made the social contract worse, making our lives harder, not easier. They've given lucrative jobs to a few, but all their market offerings gave the world is distraction and misery, in the case of Facebook, and flashy status symbols to chase, in the case of Tesla. They crowded out the market for competitors, so people can't have truly useful solutions to the problems Zuck and Musk claimed to solve. Ask yourself why Chinese electric cars would be banned from the US market and you're getting there. Musk bought a social network with the explicit aim of making it worse, and more than succeeded.