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> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expe

> They're explicit this is about curbing political activism by foreign students. Freedom of assembly is a universal human right; not that anyone seriously expects respect for those from the US any more.

mensetmanusman 1y ago
Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.
- happymellon 1y ago
  How so? It doesnt even seem remotely the same. That would be the right to prevent assembly.
  - mensetmanusman 1y ago
    A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling. Assembly amongst all groups simultaneously isn’t possible with humans who are not bifurcating bosons.
    - happymellon 1y ago
      That doesn't make sense. Just because you used a word in a sentence doesn't make it so. > A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling. They haven't prevented anything. Just because a team assembled, does not exclude others from being there. They can exclude, of course, but that has nothing to do with the assembly. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembly https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembl... > uncountable noun > When you refer to rights of assembly or restrictions on assembly, you are referring to the legal right that people have to gather together It's the gathering thats the assembly, not the exclusion. You just made that up.
- pastage 1y ago
  This is not remotely true. Of course it is denied if you can classify it as violent.
- mindslight 1y ago
  No, "the US" does not. Maybe the fascists currently in power are twisting words like that though, just as they twist every other lofty ideal into a rationalization for hurting people.
JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> a universal human right This concept has been dead outside Europe since at least the 1990s. (It never found purchase in Russia, China or India.)
- mandmandam 1y ago
  ... That's not remotely true. Hypocrisy on the issue of human rights doesn't negate their existence in frameworks or as ideals that have motivated real progress. And, ignorance of human rights work outside of Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Finally, Europe doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to human rights hypocrisy either, even if they're some of the best of a bad lot.

mensetmanusman 1y ago

Except the US views it as its right to assemble who it wants to allow in. Same right, different perspective.

happymellon 1y ago
How so? It doesnt even seem remotely the same. That would be the right to prevent assembly.
- mensetmanusman 1y ago
  A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling. Assembly amongst all groups simultaneously isn’t possible with humans who are not bifurcating bosons.
  - happymellon 1y ago
    That doesn't make sense. Just because you used a word in a sentence doesn't make it so. > A team assembling on the playground that doesn’t pick all the friends who want to play together has prevented the friends from assembling. They haven't prevented anything. Just because a team assembled, does not exclude others from being there. They can exclude, of course, but that has nothing to do with the assembly. https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembly https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/assembl... > uncountable noun > When you refer to rights of assembly or restrictions on assembly, you are referring to the legal right that people have to gather together It's the gathering thats the assembly, not the exclusion. You just made that up.
pastage 1y ago
This is not remotely true. Of course it is denied if you can classify it as violent.
mindslight 1y ago
No, "the US" does not. Maybe the fascists currently in power are twisting words like that though, just as they twist every other lofty ideal into a rationalization for hurting people.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago

> a universal human right This concept has been dead outside Europe since at least the 1990s. (It never found purchase in Russia, China or India.)

mandmandam 1y ago
... That's not remotely true. Hypocrisy on the issue of human rights doesn't negate their existence in frameworks or as ideals that have motivated real progress. And, ignorance of human rights work outside of Europe doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Finally, Europe doesn't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to human rights hypocrisy either, even if they're some of the best of a bad lot.