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> lack of GPU capacity due to export restrictions Human progress that benefits everyone being stalled by the few and powerful who want to keep their moats. Sad

> lack of GPU capacity due to export restrictions Human progress that benefits everyone being stalled by the few and powerful who want to keep their moats. Sad world we live in.

crazygringo 1y ago
It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior and stated goals.
- mistrial9 1y ago
  or also there is an interpretation of State actions that says that a government serves itself first and foremost. Unfortunately this includes governments you like and also governments you do not like. Before rising to invective here, also consider that this is not new at all, since early Kingdoms were ruled by Kings and abuse of power was more common than not, so lots of present day politics around the entire world, do have alternates to simple depostic will. So instead of splitting hairs about that description, lets highlight an idea that actually, millions of people doing millions of things per day consitutes its own system, despite what name you call it or who collects the taxes. Observing the actual behavior of that system ("data driven"?) has more benefits than hairsplitting of nomenclature for political studies. Why bother writing this? because simplistic labels for government actions in international affairs is Step 2 of "brain-off" us versus them thinking. Let's find ways to remove fuels from the fires of war. The stakes are too high. Third call to start thinking instead of invective here. Negotiation and trade are the tools. Name calling on those that work for "peace" is Step 2 again. IMHO
- properpopper 1y ago
  Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly
  - pfraze 1y ago
    What are you talking about
    - jaggs 1y ago
      >> It's about China being expansionist Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?
      - apples_oranges 1y ago
        They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess. The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck
        jaggs 1y ago
        Okay so thanks very much. That's not really a citation that's an opinion? To translate what you're saying. The Chinese are trying to establish the same kind of global trade collaboration that Europe and the US have done for the past hundred and x years? But the Chinese civilization is over 2000 years old, and they had a much larger global trade network back when the west was a pile of wooden shacks and feudal barbarism? They're also building up a large army in in the same way that the US and Europe have with NATO? I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal? It seems that the Chinese people themselves are enjoying a pretty good standard of living and quality of life? I've only been there two or three times, but I never saw the same kind of deprivation in China that I saw behind the Iron Curtain for instance.
        ethbr1 1y ago
        > I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal? It's certainly corrupt. Xi didn't launch major, disruptive anti-corruption drives for no reason, but because he saw it as an existential threat to the CCP's legitimacy (after all, it did torpedo the Soviet Union). Granted, an alternate rationale was internecine power struggles within the party and removing political enemies, but there was some real corruption. The strongman argument against the CCP's moral compass is that it has no concept of or respect for individual rights: the party is above all. Historically, this has always ended tragically because eventually it will be abused to either justify suffering or party gain at the expense of people. Authoritarianism only works until someone bad grabs the reigns, and single-party non-democratic systems have a way of rewarding sociopaths.
- FirmwareBurner 1y ago
  >It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. Remove the word Taiwan and you are describing the US. >It's about China being expansionist US has been doing that since their inception as a country. Are you telling me the USs 750 foreign military bases located in at least 80 foreign countries and territories is NOT expansionism? Come on! >actively preparing to invade Taiwan The US illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years killing and torturing innocents in the process and leaving the Taliban in power to further cause harm. Wow many countries did China invade? Yet somehow China is the boogieman? Please! > generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. Same with the US, Trump threatened to annex Greenland and Canada, yet I don't see sanctions on the US. I don't see the US having any ground to stand on criticizing China.
  - GoatInGrey 1y ago
    But the US doesn't imprison me for criticizing the government, or being Muslim.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Then you're clueless about or ignoring Guantanamo Bay. The ignorance and hypocrisy here is astonishing.

> lack of GPU capacity due to export restrictions Human progress that benefits everyone being stalled by the few and powerful who want to keep their moats. Sad world we live in.

crazygringo 1y ago

It's not about people wanting to keep it in moats. It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. The US is fine with other countries having AI if the countries "play nice" with others. Nobody is limiting GPU's in France or Thailand. This is very specific to China's behavior and stated goals.

mistrial9 1y ago
or also there is an interpretation of State actions that says that a government serves itself first and foremost. Unfortunately this includes governments you like and also governments you do not like. Before rising to invective here, also consider that this is not new at all, since early Kingdoms were ruled by Kings and abuse of power was more common than not, so lots of present day politics around the entire world, do have alternates to simple depostic will. So instead of splitting hairs about that description, lets highlight an idea that actually, millions of people doing millions of things per day consitutes its own system, despite what name you call it or who collects the taxes. Observing the actual behavior of that system ("data driven"?) has more benefits than hairsplitting of nomenclature for political studies. Why bother writing this? because simplistic labels for government actions in international affairs is Step 2 of "brain-off" us versus them thinking. Let's find ways to remove fuels from the fires of war. The stakes are too high. Third call to start thinking instead of invective here. Negotiation and trade are the tools. Name calling on those that work for "peace" is Step 2 again. IMHO
properpopper 1y ago
Nice media-led narrative. The real reason is that the US cannot compete fairly
- pfraze 1y ago
  What are you talking about
  - jaggs 1y ago
    >> It's about China being expansionist Citations? Apart from usual Western government propaganda outlets perhaps?
    - apples_oranges 1y ago
      They are aiming for world domination by buying themselves into businesses all over the planet and by building up a very large army. But that’s just normal human behavior I guess. The problem is rather that if the only moral compass is the communist party it will suck
      - jaggs 1y ago
        Okay so thanks very much. That's not really a citation that's an opinion? To translate what you're saying. The Chinese are trying to establish the same kind of global trade collaboration that Europe and the US have done for the past hundred and x years? But the Chinese civilization is over 2000 years old, and they had a much larger global trade network back when the west was a pile of wooden shacks and feudal barbarism? They're also building up a large army in in the same way that the US and Europe have with NATO? I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal? It seems that the Chinese people themselves are enjoying a pretty good standard of living and quality of life? I've only been there two or three times, but I never saw the same kind of deprivation in China that I saw behind the Iron Curtain for instance.
        ethbr1 1y ago
        > I'm also not really sure what's wrong with the moral compass of the Chinese communist party? From what I can see at the moment it is authoritative, but not necessarily venal? It's certainly corrupt. Xi didn't launch major, disruptive anti-corruption drives for no reason, but because he saw it as an existential threat to the CCP's legitimacy (after all, it did torpedo the Soviet Union). Granted, an alternate rationale was internecine power struggles within the party and removing political enemies, but there was some real corruption. The strongman argument against the CCP's moral compass is that it has no concept of or respect for individual rights: the party is above all. Historically, this has always ended tragically because eventually it will be abused to either justify suffering or party gain at the expense of people. Authoritarianism only works until someone bad grabs the reigns, and single-party non-democratic systems have a way of rewarding sociopaths.
FirmwareBurner 1y ago
>It's about China being expansionist, actively preparing to invade Taiwan, and generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. Remove the word Taiwan and you are describing the US. >It's about China being expansionist US has been doing that since their inception as a country. Are you telling me the USs 750 foreign military bases located in at least 80 foreign countries and territories is NOT expansionism? Come on! >actively preparing to invade Taiwan The US illegally invaded Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years killing and torturing innocents in the process and leaving the Taliban in power to further cause harm. Wow many countries did China invade? Yet somehow China is the boogieman? Please! > generally becoming an increasing military threat that does not respect the national integrity of other states. Same with the US, Trump threatened to annex Greenland and Canada, yet I don't see sanctions on the US. I don't see the US having any ground to stand on criticizing China.
- GoatInGrey 1y ago
  But the US doesn't imprison me for criticizing the government, or being Muslim.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Then you're clueless about or ignoring Guantanamo Bay. The ignorance and hypocrisy here is astonishing.