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I don't think they hide it at all... I think we just don't see governments in the West with the same eyes, sort of like the same effect that happens when watchi

I don't think they hide it at all... I think we just don't see governments in the West with the same eyes, sort of like the same effect that happens when watching Vic Mackey or Tony Soprano, and rooting for them fully knowing how morally depleted they are as humans.

spwa4 1y ago
This is moral absolutist thinking. Either you're 100% good or 100% evil and there is nothing in between. Under that thinking, of course, everyone (except, of course, the speaker and friends) is evil and can be accused and held responsible, for their "moral failings". Oh and you ESPECIALLY don't get to defend anyone with practical arguments, for example, that it is a lot harder for a government that does not have tons and tons of (to them) free natural resources money, like Saudi Arabia (they don't even extract it themselves) to avoid moral problems, and problems in general than it is for, say America. That a country that has to do things itself, just to make a random example, defend it's shores against drugs (and shoot at people who try to ...) has to make a lot of moral compromises (like, perhaps, shooting at criminals trying to flee in a boat) that Saudi Arabia doesn't have to make. Many countries, like Saudi Arabia, always get a free pass, because "you can't expect them to adhere to ..." when in fact it would be SO much easier for them to have a perfect human rights record, no poverty, extremely liberal societies, ... than it is for the US (because incomes in Saudi Arabia largely does not derive from having Saudi Arabians work, so there's no need to force them to. America shoots at people so Saudi Arabia can export it's oil, ...) The fact is most non-Western governments (like Saudi Arabia, but they're middle of the boat at best in evilness) don't have the interests of people in mind at all. Regardless if "people" means Saudi Arabian people, people who live in Saudi Arabia including foreignors, or women, or children for that matter. AT BEST, they are like Western companies, at worst ... you can imagine. That a government with the financial means of Saudi Arabia fails here should be 10x worse than similar failings on, for example the US's part (but same for, say, Denmark). But the root cause is simple: the Saudi government is not there to benefit the people there, it benefits itself only. In other words: these dictatorships are MUCH worse and have MUCH more serious moral failings than the US.
- sthkr 1y ago
  Lol Saudi Arabia is for Saudi citizens. All foreigners are on temporary 3/6/12 month work visas that are renewed each year. We don't give citizenships to foreigners. We don't need and don't want permanent immigration from foreigners in the country. Look at how Japan and South Korea are thriving. And we certainly don't need advice about human rights from genocide supporting western countries. The same America that has given Israel $30 billion in the last few years to flatten Palestine and kill almost a 100,000 people. You keep talking about dissidents. The government keeps the country safe from terrorism, gun violence, criminals, religious extremists etc. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries are some of the safest places to live along with Japan, Singapore and South Korea. No one can cares about Western comments on dissidents. Saudi Arabia is still very tribal and family oriented. Saudi Aramco is 98% Saudi Citizens and we extract all the oil ourselves. The Americans left long ago. Focus on your own backyard with your crap healthcare, poverty, homelessness, racial violence, gun violence, etc. There's no Saudi citizen living on the streets. Every single Saudi citizen have to pay no income taxes and gets free healthcare, free education, free university education, free scholarships abroad (tuition, travel, housing, person expenses covered), interest free mortgages, first priority in all jobs, and so many other benefits. The richest country in the world (America) spent trillions of dollars in wars across the Atlantic but has thousands of its citizens homeless on the streets. Saudi Arabia has 20 million Saudi citizens and they're the only priority and future of the country that has surpassed a GDP of $1 trillion.
  - ath3nd 1y ago
    Bla bla, human right violations, treating laborers as slaves and second hand people, killing political dissidents and throwing billions of oil dollars to whitewash the country's image. Whatabouting the US doesn't mean Saudi Arabia's human rights violations suddenly vanish in thin air.
    - sthkr 1y ago
      Saud Arabia's first priority is just for Saudi citizens only. No laborer is a slave or forced at gunpoint to come work in our country. They pay themselves thousands of dollars in their foreign countries to come work in Saudi Arabia. Nobody forces them. Their work visa is either only for 3 months or 6 months or 12 months. Then, they need to leave once the visa has expired. No one is forced to work in the country as a slave. You can choose to stay living in your own country. Lol political dissidents are turd implants from the Western countries designed to instigate anarchy in the country. It's never going to work anymore because the Gulf citizens themselves know how pathetic the Americans and the west are nowadays. Stop & STF trying to teach about human rights. The US and Europeans are responsible for the genocide of 100,000 in Palestine right now along with the millions in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Vietnam, and so many more. No one needs to whitewash anything. We are spending trillions for our country and the future of our citizens. All the big multi billion projects provide millions of jobs for Saudi citizens and foreigners. And they will continue to provide jobs and revenue for the country for generations to come. The US and the West isn't the bastion of amazing human rights after its support and financing of the current genocide in Palestine. Saudi citizens are doing just fine and are being greatly supported and have a bright future with the Vision 2030 work happening so far. You worry about your shitty healthcare, gun violence, homelessness, high income taxes, crappy infrastructure, illegal drunks & junkies roaming the streets and other stuff. No one gives a crap about your lame accusations of human rights. You've historically been the biggest mass murders and genocides from killing off the natives in North America and Aborigines in Australia and the recent wars in the middle east. No one gives a crap about some fat old attention whore journalist here anymore. 70% of the Saudi citizen population is under 35 years old and we support the government to keeps the country and us safe from all outside terrorists and other threats.

spwa4 1y ago

This is moral absolutist thinking. Either you're 100% good or 100% evil and there is nothing in between. Under that thinking, of course, everyone (except, of course, the speaker and friends) is evil and can be accused and held responsible, for their "moral failings". Oh and you ESPECIALLY don't get to defend anyone with practical arguments, for example, that it is a lot harder for a government that does not have tons and tons of (to them) free natural resources money, like Saudi Arabia (they don't even extract it themselves) to avoid moral problems, and problems in general than it is for, say America. That a country that has to do things itself, just to make a random example, defend it's shores against drugs (and shoot at people who try to ...) has to make a lot of moral compromises (like, perhaps, shooting at criminals trying to flee in a boat) that Saudi Arabia doesn't have to make. Many countries, like Saudi Arabia, always get a free pass, because "you can't expect them to adhere to ..." when in fact it would be SO much easier for them to have a perfect human rights record, no poverty, extremely liberal societies, ... than it is for the US (because incomes in Saudi Arabia largely does not derive from having Saudi Arabians work, so there's no need to force them to. America shoots at people so Saudi Arabia can export it's oil, ...) The fact is most non-Western governments (like Saudi Arabia, but they're middle of the boat at best in evilness) don't have the interests of people in mind at all. Regardless if "people" means Saudi Arabian people, people who live in Saudi Arabia including foreignors, or women, or children for that matter. AT BEST, they are like Western companies, at worst ... you can imagine. That a government with the financial means of Saudi Arabia fails here should be 10x worse than similar failings on, for example the US's part (but same for, say, Denmark). But the root cause is simple: the Saudi government is not there to benefit the people there, it benefits itself only. In other words: these dictatorships are MUCH worse and have MUCH more serious moral failings than the US.

sthkr 1y ago
Lol Saudi Arabia is for Saudi citizens. All foreigners are on temporary 3/6/12 month work visas that are renewed each year. We don't give citizenships to foreigners. We don't need and don't want permanent immigration from foreigners in the country. Look at how Japan and South Korea are thriving. And we certainly don't need advice about human rights from genocide supporting western countries. The same America that has given Israel $30 billion in the last few years to flatten Palestine and kill almost a 100,000 people. You keep talking about dissidents. The government keeps the country safe from terrorism, gun violence, criminals, religious extremists etc. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf countries are some of the safest places to live along with Japan, Singapore and South Korea. No one can cares about Western comments on dissidents. Saudi Arabia is still very tribal and family oriented. Saudi Aramco is 98% Saudi Citizens and we extract all the oil ourselves. The Americans left long ago. Focus on your own backyard with your crap healthcare, poverty, homelessness, racial violence, gun violence, etc. There's no Saudi citizen living on the streets. Every single Saudi citizen have to pay no income taxes and gets free healthcare, free education, free university education, free scholarships abroad (tuition, travel, housing, person expenses covered), interest free mortgages, first priority in all jobs, and so many other benefits. The richest country in the world (America) spent trillions of dollars in wars across the Atlantic but has thousands of its citizens homeless on the streets. Saudi Arabia has 20 million Saudi citizens and they're the only priority and future of the country that has surpassed a GDP of $1 trillion.
- ath3nd 1y ago
  Bla bla, human right violations, treating laborers as slaves and second hand people, killing political dissidents and throwing billions of oil dollars to whitewash the country's image. Whatabouting the US doesn't mean Saudi Arabia's human rights violations suddenly vanish in thin air.
  - sthkr 1y ago
    Saud Arabia's first priority is just for Saudi citizens only. No laborer is a slave or forced at gunpoint to come work in our country. They pay themselves thousands of dollars in their foreign countries to come work in Saudi Arabia. Nobody forces them. Their work visa is either only for 3 months or 6 months or 12 months. Then, they need to leave once the visa has expired. No one is forced to work in the country as a slave. You can choose to stay living in your own country. Lol political dissidents are turd implants from the Western countries designed to instigate anarchy in the country. It's never going to work anymore because the Gulf citizens themselves know how pathetic the Americans and the west are nowadays. Stop & STF trying to teach about human rights. The US and Europeans are responsible for the genocide of 100,000 in Palestine right now along with the millions in Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Vietnam, and so many more. No one needs to whitewash anything. We are spending trillions for our country and the future of our citizens. All the big multi billion projects provide millions of jobs for Saudi citizens and foreigners. And they will continue to provide jobs and revenue for the country for generations to come. The US and the West isn't the bastion of amazing human rights after its support and financing of the current genocide in Palestine. Saudi citizens are doing just fine and are being greatly supported and have a bright future with the Vision 2030 work happening so far. You worry about your shitty healthcare, gun violence, homelessness, high income taxes, crappy infrastructure, illegal drunks & junkies roaming the streets and other stuff. No one gives a crap about your lame accusations of human rights. You've historically been the biggest mass murders and genocides from killing off the natives in North America and Aborigines in Australia and the recent wars in the middle east. No one gives a crap about some fat old attention whore journalist here anymore. 70% of the Saudi citizen population is under 35 years old and we support the government to keeps the country and us safe from all outside terrorists and other threats.