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There are certainly evil things in the west but nothing to compare with things like cutting people's heads off for having gay sex or following the wrong religio

There are certainly evil things in the west but nothing to compare with things like cutting people's heads off for having gay sex or following the wrong religion or punishing rape victims. You do not realise how privileged people in the west are - as someone who has lived inn a country that was bad at the time (nothing like Saudi Arabia but things such as journalists being disappeared and a nasty civil war) westerners who say "oh, its just the same" make me really just look delusional and completely unaware of their privilege.

msgodel 1y ago
Foreign states are often the way they are because their population prefers that. People shouldn't get so spun up about it. If those people came here they'd probably just recreate most of the things they do there.
- graemep 1y ago
  > Foreign states are often the way they are because their population prefers that. 1. That does not make it ethical. There was a time when the majority of people in the US thought it right to treat black people as inferior. Did that make it right? 2. This stuff is at its worst in counties where the population has no chance to express their preference. 3. How do you know what people's preferences are in "foreign states"? Did you go there and ask a representative sample of people after convincing them they could trust you enough to tell you their real views? Its amazing how people's expressed preferences match their governments if they will be chucked in jail or murdered if they disagree, and their access to information is limited to what the government things they should know.
  - msgodel 1y ago
    I'm really not convinced representation changes as much as people think it does.
- ramon156 1y ago
  That's a weird way of looking at it. You do know populations get manipulated no? Yes, even the west
- mpalmer 1y ago
  Where exactly do you think "here" is?
jbm 1y ago
We literally have a western country opening fire on unarmed people queuing for food in the same region. It's literally on the front page right now. Prosecutors for those crimes have had their accounts frozen by Microsoft. So yeah, no. Statements about human rights have no credibility.
sthkr 1y ago
The last thing anyone needs advice about human rights is from the west. The invasions and mass murders in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran, Libya. Still remember that pr*ck Colin Powell showing that vial to justify that invasion of Iraq. The world's worst murderers have been the British, Dutch, Belgian, French, Spanish and American empires throughout history. The worst genocide in history was committed by Belgium in Congo where they killed millions. Lol no one gets their head cut off for gay sex or wrong religion. Capital punishment is only for murder, terrorism, rape and drug smugglers. The Saudi Government is quite liberal there. It's your own Saudi families that will ostracize you based on their own decisions. You keep talking about dissidents. I still remember Obama and his Arab spring and how thousands died because of him. The west like to implant people to create internal conflicts inside countries. It's not going to work in the Gulf countries as all the citizens know how the Americans thrive on instigating conflict. That journalist just wanted to create anarchy. I still remember the terrorist attacks at my American school and other cities in Saudi Arabia during 2004 - 2005. I trust the police and government to eradicate all the extremist and outside threats to the country and keep everyone safe. They've basically cleaned out all the extremism in these past 20 years from the country. The Americans also enjoyed keeping the Saudis and Iranians fighting until the Chinese stepped in and created peace between these two countries. Americans need to worry about their own backyard with their crap healthcare, poverty, homelessness, illegals, gun violence etc. Saudi Arabia isn't perfect, but Saudi citizens have to pay no income taxes, get free universal healthcare, free education, free university education, all government paid scholarships for universities abroad (tuition, travel & living), first priority in all jobs, social security support for low income citizens, interest free mortgages, etc. Plus Saudi Arabia long with the other Gulf countries like UAE & Qatar are some of the safest countries. All illegals arrested and deported every month, low crime rates, no African/Asian Refugee illegal drunk junkies roaming the streets (like Europe/America), no homeless tents, no gun violence etc. The Gulf countries along with Japan, South Korea, Singapore and China know how to keep their countries safe, clean and well. Look at Europe & Scandinavia now with all the illegals running around.
- leosanchez 1y ago
  > Plus Saudi Arabia long with the other Gulf countries like UAE & Qatar are some of the safest countries. Do legal immigrants get to keep their passports?

msgodel 1y ago

Foreign states are often the way they are because their population prefers that. People shouldn't get so spun up about it. If those people came here they'd probably just recreate most of the things they do there.

graemep 1y ago
> Foreign states are often the way they are because their population prefers that. 1. That does not make it ethical. There was a time when the majority of people in the US thought it right to treat black people as inferior. Did that make it right? 2. This stuff is at its worst in counties where the population has no chance to express their preference. 3. How do you know what people's preferences are in "foreign states"? Did you go there and ask a representative sample of people after convincing them they could trust you enough to tell you their real views? Its amazing how people's expressed preferences match their governments if they will be chucked in jail or murdered if they disagree, and their access to information is limited to what the government things they should know.
- msgodel 1y ago
  I'm really not convinced representation changes as much as people think it does.
ramon156 1y ago
That's a weird way of looking at it. You do know populations get manipulated no? Yes, even the west
mpalmer 1y ago
Where exactly do you think "here" is?

jbm 1y ago

We literally have a western country opening fire on unarmed people queuing for food in the same region. It's literally on the front page right now. Prosecutors for those crimes have had their accounts frozen by Microsoft. So yeah, no. Statements about human rights have no credibility.

sthkr 1y ago

The last thing anyone needs advice about human rights is from the west. The invasions and mass murders in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Iran, Libya. Still remember that pr*ck Colin Powell showing that vial to justify that invasion of Iraq. The world's worst murderers have been the British, Dutch, Belgian, French, Spanish and American empires throughout history. The worst genocide in history was committed by Belgium in Congo where they killed millions. Lol no one gets their head cut off for gay sex or wrong religion. Capital punishment is only for murder, terrorism, rape and drug smugglers. The Saudi Government is quite liberal there. It's your own Saudi families that will ostracize you based on their own decisions. You keep talking about dissidents. I still remember Obama and his Arab spring and how thousands died because of him. The west like to implant people to create internal conflicts inside countries. It's not going to work in the Gulf countries as all the citizens know how the Americans thrive on instigating conflict. That journalist just wanted to create anarchy. I still remember the terrorist attacks at my American school and other cities in Saudi Arabia during 2004 - 2005. I trust the police and government to eradicate all the extremist and outside threats to the country and keep everyone safe. They've basically cleaned out all the extremism in these past 20 years from the country. The Americans also enjoyed keeping the Saudis and Iranians fighting until the Chinese stepped in and created peace between these two countries. Americans need to worry about their own backyard with their crap healthcare, poverty, homelessness, illegals, gun violence etc. Saudi Arabia isn't perfect, but Saudi citizens have to pay no income taxes, get free universal healthcare, free education, free university education, all government paid scholarships for universities abroad (tuition, travel & living), first priority in all jobs, social security support for low income citizens, interest free mortgages, etc. Plus Saudi Arabia long with the other Gulf countries like UAE & Qatar are some of the safest countries. All illegals arrested and deported every month, low crime rates, no African/Asian Refugee illegal drunk junkies roaming the streets (like Europe/America), no homeless tents, no gun violence etc. The Gulf countries along with Japan, South Korea, Singapore and China know how to keep their countries safe, clean and well. Look at Europe & Scandinavia now with all the illegals running around.

leosanchez 1y ago
> Plus Saudi Arabia long with the other Gulf countries like UAE & Qatar are some of the safest countries. Do legal immigrants get to keep their passports?