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I'm not American. Ever since I've been old enough to understand the world, the only country constantly at war everywhere is America. An all-powerful American AI

by spaceman_2020 1y ago

I'm not American. Ever since I've been old enough to understand the world, the only country constantly at war everywhere is America. An all-powerful American AI is scarier to me than an open source Chinese one

throwaway290 1y ago
As Russian I only recently started to understand that russian government was at wars for a lot of its existence from USSR times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#Soviet_Union_(1922%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#.... Many invasions and wars in places Russia should have no business in. Most of them not publicized in the country. Unlike US it was not spreading liberal values of individual freedom and against violent dictatorships, actually maybe the other way around
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- Thlom 1y ago
  The US is not at perpetual war to spread "liberal values".
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    I didn't say it is always the goal but if one country prevails over another country somewhere then usually it means first country's values propagate
- rescbr 1y ago
  > against violent dictatorships Then look up Latin America’s history, where the US actively worked to install and support such violent dictatorships. Some under the guise of protecting countries from the threat of communism - like Brazil, Argentina and Chile, and some explicitly to protect US company’s interests - like in Guatemala
  - throwaway290 1y ago
    > Chile Yes fuckups happened. But then for results Russian intervention see CCP and how many people died from their hands and policies
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      Well, that's different. The Russians meant well, you see.
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did. The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.
    - jaggs 1y ago
      Mmmm...
    - vbezhenar 1y ago
      Communism is good. By "protecting" them from communism, you doomed them to the horrors of capitalism.
      - CamperBob2 1y ago
        You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to practice capitalism. People will trade labor, goods and services voluntarily unless you go out of your way to stop them. And spare us the false equivalence bullshit that we all know is coming.
        andrekandre 1y ago
        > trade labor, goods and services voluntarily small nitpick, but trading != capitalism capitalism is using capital (money, materials, and employees/work) as inputs to produce finished products with the goal of re-investing those profits into said production or into other markets simply trading or rendering services can be done without the need for constant growth/profits or investment as capital over time (e.g coops, traditional businesses etc)

throwaway290 1y ago

As Russian I only recently started to understand that russian government was at wars for a lot of its existence from USSR times: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#Soviet_Union_(1922%E2%80%931991) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_Russia#.... Many invasions and wars in places Russia should have no business in. Most of them not publicized in the country. Unlike US it was not spreading liberal values of individual freedom and against violent dictatorships, actually maybe the other way around

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Thlom 1y ago
The US is not at perpetual war to spread "liberal values".
- throwaway290 1y ago
  I didn't say it is always the goal but if one country prevails over another country somewhere then usually it means first country's values propagate
rescbr 1y ago
> against violent dictatorships Then look up Latin America’s history, where the US actively worked to install and support such violent dictatorships. Some under the guise of protecting countries from the threat of communism - like Brazil, Argentina and Chile, and some explicitly to protect US company’s interests - like in Guatemala
- throwaway290 1y ago
  > Chile Yes fuckups happened. But then for results Russian intervention see CCP and how many people died from their hands and policies
  - CamperBob2 1y ago
    Well, that's different. The Russians meant well, you see.
- CamperBob2 1y ago
  Well, at least protecting Latin American countries from the threat of communism was a nice thing for us to do, wasn't it? Communism would certainly have done more harm than we did. The lesson of present-day America is that democracy is too important to be left to the people.
  - jaggs 1y ago
    Mmmm...
  - vbezhenar 1y ago
    Communism is good. By "protecting" them from communism, you doomed them to the horrors of capitalism.
    - CamperBob2 1y ago
      You don't have to hold a gun to someone's head to get them to practice capitalism. People will trade labor, goods and services voluntarily unless you go out of your way to stop them. And spare us the false equivalence bullshit that we all know is coming.
      - andrekandre 1y ago
        > trade labor, goods and services voluntarily small nitpick, but trading != capitalism capitalism is using capital (money, materials, and employees/work) as inputs to produce finished products with the goal of re-investing those profits into said production or into other markets simply trading or rendering services can be done without the need for constant growth/profits or investment as capital over time (e.g coops, traditional businesses etc)