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This is essentially an ad hoc Constitutional Convention being carried out by 6 people, 3 of whom were hand-picked by the sitting president and another of whom i

This is essentially an ad hoc Constitutional Convention being carried out by 6 people, 3 of whom were hand-picked by the sitting president and another of whom is arguably the most corrupt Supreme Court Justice in our history. Nothing is off the table. Anyone who thinks the Constitution can protect them should think again.

calculatte 1y ago
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- kergonath 1y ago
  No. It’s better to have a court that does its job. Reasonable people can accept a decision even if they disagree if the reasoning is not solid than “lol we can so suck it up”. And yes, anything close to a majority nominated by the sitting president is a constitutional crisis, in a regime where one is supposed to check the other.
  - calculatte 1y ago
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    - scarface_74 1y ago
      Birthright citizenship is literally in the Constitution
    - perching_aix 1y ago
      To clarify, do you think you're uniquely better at this than most / the folks here, or is that not an intended implication? Do you further think this phenomena is specific to here, or was that not an intended implication? Just trying to figure out what your scope is.
    - kergonath 1y ago
      You have no idea, you don’t know me and that was not the point I was making.
  - throwaway48476 1y ago
    The courts only have so much power because congress is dysfunctional and kicks every issue to the courts so they don't have to be accountable to voters.
    - kergonath 1y ago
      Well yeah. That is a problem as well. The whole US government is a steaming mess right now, just because we cannot mention everything that’s wrong every post does not mean that we should not discuss any specific example. Yes, congress also abdicated its power. At the moment you have an executive branch ignoring law, precedent, and court orders, the legislative branch that is subservient to the executive and a judiciary in a state of civil war. None of that is right. None of the top-level institutions are working as they should.
    - fzeroracer 1y ago
      The Supreme Court has literally been usurping power from Congress by refusing to read the laws they've passed as written, kicking them back or neutering them knowing that Congress is locked down. And in this case they're refusing to do their actual job, which is defending the constitutional foundation of our country.
      - throwaway48476 1y ago
        Judicial activism is certainly a problem as well. Stayed courts are the worst for this. California and Washington have initiatives but the courts just ignore them.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  The "i like bagels -> oh so you hate croissants, huh?" framing strikes again. This is what things going to shit looks like. You may be completely justified in acting the way you are, it just so happens that that's of very little help. Spiraling is pretty tough to prevent at that point. And yes, very obviously people have an easier time understanding things when they're better aligned with their thinking.
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  > ad hoc Constitutional Convention being carried out by any random activist judge appointed by any of the previous political opposition? yes because the admin can appeal to a higher court; it at least pauses it so it can be more thoroughly evaluated as to its constitutionality
sbuttgereit 1y ago
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- standardUser 1y ago
  I'm talking more broadly about this court and its decisions, of which this decision is one of many that are obliterating precedent and directly empowering the sitting president.
- redczar 1y ago
  Want to ban nationwide injunctions against student debt relief? Sure, I can agree with that. Want to ban nationwide injunctions against ACA enforcement or some other similar type thing? I have no problem either way. Banning a nationwide injunction against birthright citizenship is inherently different. It’s a fundamental constitutional right we are talking about. Banning birthright citizenship should not be allowed to be enforced until SCOTIS decides the matter.
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20after4 1y ago
It's amazing how much people love unlimited authority as long as they perceive that they are on the winning team.
- zeruch 1y ago
  It's always amazing to watch those same people when the pendulum swings away from their hubris.

calculatte 1y ago

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kergonath 1y ago
No. It’s better to have a court that does its job. Reasonable people can accept a decision even if they disagree if the reasoning is not solid than “lol we can so suck it up”. And yes, anything close to a majority nominated by the sitting president is a constitutional crisis, in a regime where one is supposed to check the other.
- calculatte 1y ago
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  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Birthright citizenship is literally in the Constitution
  - perching_aix 1y ago
    To clarify, do you think you're uniquely better at this than most / the folks here, or is that not an intended implication? Do you further think this phenomena is specific to here, or was that not an intended implication? Just trying to figure out what your scope is.
  - kergonath 1y ago
    You have no idea, you don’t know me and that was not the point I was making.
- throwaway48476 1y ago
  The courts only have so much power because congress is dysfunctional and kicks every issue to the courts so they don't have to be accountable to voters.
  - kergonath 1y ago
    Well yeah. That is a problem as well. The whole US government is a steaming mess right now, just because we cannot mention everything that’s wrong every post does not mean that we should not discuss any specific example. Yes, congress also abdicated its power. At the moment you have an executive branch ignoring law, precedent, and court orders, the legislative branch that is subservient to the executive and a judiciary in a state of civil war. None of that is right. None of the top-level institutions are working as they should.
  - fzeroracer 1y ago
    The Supreme Court has literally been usurping power from Congress by refusing to read the laws they've passed as written, kicking them back or neutering them knowing that Congress is locked down. And in this case they're refusing to do their actual job, which is defending the constitutional foundation of our country.
    - throwaway48476 1y ago
      Judicial activism is certainly a problem as well. Stayed courts are the worst for this. California and Washington have initiatives but the courts just ignore them.
perching_aix 1y ago
The "i like bagels -> oh so you hate croissants, huh?" framing strikes again. This is what things going to shit looks like. You may be completely justified in acting the way you are, it just so happens that that's of very little help. Spiraling is pretty tough to prevent at that point. And yes, very obviously people have an easier time understanding things when they're better aligned with their thinking.
insane_dreamer 1y ago
> ad hoc Constitutional Convention being carried out by any random activist judge appointed by any of the previous political opposition? yes because the admin can appeal to a higher court; it at least pauses it so it can be more thoroughly evaluated as to its constitutionality

sbuttgereit 1y ago

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standardUser 1y ago
I'm talking more broadly about this court and its decisions, of which this decision is one of many that are obliterating precedent and directly empowering the sitting president.
redczar 1y ago
Want to ban nationwide injunctions against student debt relief? Sure, I can agree with that. Want to ban nationwide injunctions against ACA enforcement or some other similar type thing? I have no problem either way. Banning a nationwide injunction against birthright citizenship is inherently different. It’s a fundamental constitutional right we are talking about. Banning birthright citizenship should not be allowed to be enforced until SCOTIS decides the matter.

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20after4 1y ago

It's amazing how much people love unlimited authority as long as they perceive that they are on the winning team.

zeruch 1y ago
It's always amazing to watch those same people when the pendulum swings away from their hubris.