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Truth is many people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties (reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradati

Truth is many people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties (reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradation which makes moving less and less enjoyable). I'd posit that another significant decline in moving occurs in the sixties when many go in rent. Not sure if the biological clock is cause of abrupt changes or rather our scheduled lives. So, no significant changes from the sixties on? Then what's the genetic function of those programmations? People who reach old age (100+) are mostly also comparatively healthy.

nurettin 1y ago
> people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties Also likely that people who never experienced the negative outcomes of a sedentary or unhealthy life style start doing so due to the biomolecular changes. Drinking more likely to hurt your liver, soda more likely to cause diabetes, smoking more likely to cause cavities despite having done all that for 20 years without visible problems.
- gspetr 1y ago
  >20 years without visible problems. Even with the most charitable steelman interpretation of "visible problems", 2 out of 3 things you've listed have strong evidence for being responsible for weight gain, and even smoking has some weaker evidence supporting it.
agumonkey 1y ago
Regular whole body physical activity (not even gym level hard) is such a gem and a free one.
safety1st 1y ago
Without writing a book about it I'll just say that I think the most important thing is people shouldn't look at this info and conclude that their body's going to fall apart no matter what. I'm in my mid 40s and in the best shape of my life, lots of energy, aches and pains from my late 30s have all disappeared, to get there it took diet and exercise changes that were surprisingly modest. For me it was mostly weights, a little bit of cardio, and cutting back on my worst episodes of caloric excess. I have friends who didn't do any diet and exercise interventions, and are starting to look like hell and complain about the "inevitable" consequences of aging. And then there are those jacked dudes in their 70s who are hitting the gym 5 times a week, I can only aspire to be as healthy as them at their age. Use it (with proper care and feeding) or lose it.
- andrepd 1y ago
  I'm sure there's also an important component of luck and general health there.
  - vladvasiliu 1y ago
    Indeed, but I think that the point is that you shouldn't give up and let everything go.
  - adrianN 1y ago
    A healthy lifestyle improves outcomes pretty much regardless of genetics. Genetics just determines the ceiling.
    - 6P58r3MXJSLi 1y ago
      > A healthy lifestyle improves outcomes pretty much regardless of genetics to be able to afford a healthy life depends a lot on luck, much more than good DNA. secondarily: modern western societies make it almost impossible for a large portion of the population to live such a lifestyle. It's more probable than an African lives a healthy life style, even in poverty, than an American working 70 hours/week, with no paid holidays, trapped in stressful groundhog days in highly polluted cities. That's why I never left my country, even though it costed me a lot monetarily wise.
      - MOARDONGZPLZ 1y ago
        > That's why I never left my country, even though it costed me a lot monetarily wise. I suspect ignorance is bliss here as your post seems to be mostly weird stereotypes. I hope you didn’t make major life decisions on these bases alone.
        6P58r3MXJSLi 1y ago
        > I suspect ignorance is bliss here as your post seems to be mostly weird stereotypes these are just your prejudices talking you haven't even presented a point, besides your beliefs, based on nothing. Several African countries - you clearly know nothing about it - have a similar life expectancy than the US of A. Life expectancy in Mississippi is shorter than Morocco, for example despite a huge difference in wealth. But they usually live a better life, with better food, stronger sense of community, less work hours, less pollution and a vastly superior culture and historical heritage. If it wasn't for the western bombs, regime changes and wars waged using fake intelligence, they would never leave their countries for, say, Detroit, Bakersfield, Jackson etc etc Nobody in their right mind would.
globular-toast 1y ago
If this were true then we'd see that people with active jobs like builders, mechanics, cleaners etc. would have different outcomes. I think many people here who have never done a physical job in their lives would be shocked at how physically demanding these jobs are. Going to the gym a few times a week does not compare to all day, every day on your feet for decades.
- adrianN 1y ago
  Adequate rest is quite important to prevent the kind of injuries people in physical jobs get.
  - amunozo 1y ago
    Not only that, but in my experience most physical workers drink a lot and eat poorly. Not all, for sure, but it's pretty common at least in Spain. But rest is extremely important.
- mattlondon 1y ago
  Indeed - and I would argue that despite that a lot of comments here and elsewhere anecdotally say that physical exercise helps to prevent signs of aging, some of these people who spend their entire time doing hard physical work do not look younger or healthier. They often look like they've lived pretty hard lives with really battered looking complexions and wrinkles etc - they almost certainly do NOT look "youthful" or "young for their age" - the opposite in fact, at least in my experience. We in this industry live in quite a bubble in many ways. One of them is we get to chose when we go outside and exercise (mostly), but if you're a builder or a farmer or whatever you are usaully out there doing things, rain or shine.
Jarmsy 1y ago
"in the sixties when many go in rent" autocorrect from 'into retirement'?
- lompad 1y ago
  Probably german, "Rente" = "retirement"
- camillomiller 1y ago
  OP is probably German :)
  - nakedneuron 1y ago
    i knew that day would come :)
6P58r3MXJSLi 1y ago
> Truth is many people also stop moving The truth is, both things happen. People slow down — not just because they stop moving, but because life changes. They feel more tired, take on more responsibilities, and have less time and energy for themselves. And yes, sometimes the body begins to decline — gradually or even suddenly. It’s normal, and it happens to many.
oarfish 1y ago
> reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradation which makes moving less and less enjoyable how, of all the reasons, is _that_ the cause of reduced physical activity? What even is fascia degradation?

nurettin 1y ago

> people also stop moving (exercising) significantly in their forties Also likely that people who never experienced the negative outcomes of a sedentary or unhealthy life style start doing so due to the biomolecular changes. Drinking more likely to hurt your liver, soda more likely to cause diabetes, smoking more likely to cause cavities despite having done all that for 20 years without visible problems.

gspetr 1y ago
>20 years without visible problems. Even with the most charitable steelman interpretation of "visible problems", 2 out of 3 things you've listed have strong evidence for being responsible for weight gain, and even smoking has some weaker evidence supporting it.

agumonkey 1y ago

Regular whole body physical activity (not even gym level hard) is such a gem and a free one.

safety1st 1y ago

Without writing a book about it I'll just say that I think the most important thing is people shouldn't look at this info and conclude that their body's going to fall apart no matter what. I'm in my mid 40s and in the best shape of my life, lots of energy, aches and pains from my late 30s have all disappeared, to get there it took diet and exercise changes that were surprisingly modest. For me it was mostly weights, a little bit of cardio, and cutting back on my worst episodes of caloric excess. I have friends who didn't do any diet and exercise interventions, and are starting to look like hell and complain about the "inevitable" consequences of aging. And then there are those jacked dudes in their 70s who are hitting the gym 5 times a week, I can only aspire to be as healthy as them at their age. Use it (with proper care and feeding) or lose it.

andrepd 1y ago
I'm sure there's also an important component of luck and general health there.
- vladvasiliu 1y ago
  Indeed, but I think that the point is that you shouldn't give up and let everything go.
- adrianN 1y ago
  A healthy lifestyle improves outcomes pretty much regardless of genetics. Genetics just determines the ceiling.
  - 6P58r3MXJSLi 1y ago
    > A healthy lifestyle improves outcomes pretty much regardless of genetics to be able to afford a healthy life depends a lot on luck, much more than good DNA. secondarily: modern western societies make it almost impossible for a large portion of the population to live such a lifestyle. It's more probable than an African lives a healthy life style, even in poverty, than an American working 70 hours/week, with no paid holidays, trapped in stressful groundhog days in highly polluted cities. That's why I never left my country, even though it costed me a lot monetarily wise.
    - MOARDONGZPLZ 1y ago
      > That's why I never left my country, even though it costed me a lot monetarily wise. I suspect ignorance is bliss here as your post seems to be mostly weird stereotypes. I hope you didn’t make major life decisions on these bases alone.
      - 6P58r3MXJSLi 1y ago
        > I suspect ignorance is bliss here as your post seems to be mostly weird stereotypes these are just your prejudices talking you haven't even presented a point, besides your beliefs, based on nothing. Several African countries - you clearly know nothing about it - have a similar life expectancy than the US of A. Life expectancy in Mississippi is shorter than Morocco, for example despite a huge difference in wealth. But they usually live a better life, with better food, stronger sense of community, less work hours, less pollution and a vastly superior culture and historical heritage. If it wasn't for the western bombs, regime changes and wars waged using fake intelligence, they would never leave their countries for, say, Detroit, Bakersfield, Jackson etc etc Nobody in their right mind would.

globular-toast 1y ago

If this were true then we'd see that people with active jobs like builders, mechanics, cleaners etc. would have different outcomes. I think many people here who have never done a physical job in their lives would be shocked at how physically demanding these jobs are. Going to the gym a few times a week does not compare to all day, every day on your feet for decades.

adrianN 1y ago
Adequate rest is quite important to prevent the kind of injuries people in physical jobs get.
- amunozo 1y ago
  Not only that, but in my experience most physical workers drink a lot and eat poorly. Not all, for sure, but it's pretty common at least in Spain. But rest is extremely important.
mattlondon 1y ago
Indeed - and I would argue that despite that a lot of comments here and elsewhere anecdotally say that physical exercise helps to prevent signs of aging, some of these people who spend their entire time doing hard physical work do not look younger or healthier. They often look like they've lived pretty hard lives with really battered looking complexions and wrinkles etc - they almost certainly do NOT look "youthful" or "young for their age" - the opposite in fact, at least in my experience. We in this industry live in quite a bubble in many ways. One of them is we get to chose when we go outside and exercise (mostly), but if you're a builder or a farmer or whatever you are usaully out there doing things, rain or shine.

Jarmsy 1y ago

"in the sixties when many go in rent" autocorrect from 'into retirement'?

lompad 1y ago
Probably german, "Rente" = "retirement"
camillomiller 1y ago
OP is probably German :)
- nakedneuron 1y ago
  i knew that day would come :)

6P58r3MXJSLi 1y ago

> Truth is many people also stop moving The truth is, both things happen. People slow down — not just because they stop moving, but because life changes. They feel more tired, take on more responsibilities, and have less time and energy for themselves. And yes, sometimes the body begins to decline — gradually or even suddenly. It’s normal, and it happens to many.

oarfish 1y ago

> reason being probably sitting lifestyle promotes posture and fascia degradation which makes moving less and less enjoyable how, of all the reasons, is _that_ the cause of reduced physical activity? What even is fascia degradation?