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Appreciate the insights, but I think failing hardware is the least of their problems. In that underwater pod trial, MS saw lower failure rates than expected (ni

Appreciate the insights, but I think failing hardware is the least of their problems. In that underwater pod trial, MS saw lower failure rates than expected (nitrogen atmosphere could be a key factor there). > The company only lost six of the 855 submerged servers versus the eight servers that needed replacement (from the total of 135) on the parallel experiment Microsoft ran on land. It equates to a 0.7% loss in the sea versus 5.9% on land. 6/855 servers over 6 years is nothing. You'd simply re-launch the whole thing in 6 years (with advances in hardware anyways) and you'd call it a day. Just route around the bad servers. Add a bit more redundancy in your scheme. Plan for 10% to fail. That being said, it's a complete bonkers proposal until they figure out the big problems, like cooling, power, and so on.

nine_k 1y ago
Indeed, MS had it easier with a huge, readily available cooling reservoir and a layer of water that additionally protects (a little) against cosmic rays, plus the whole thing had to be heavy enough to sink. An orbital datacenter would be in a opposite situation: all cooling is radiative, many more high-energy particles, and the weight should be as light as possible.
looofooo0 1y ago
Power!? Isnt that just PV and batteries? LEO has like 1.5h orbit.
- literalAardvark 1y ago
  It's a Datacenter... I guess solar is what they're planning to use, but the array will be so large it'll have its own gravity well
  - bevr1337 1y ago
    All mass has gravity
    - swores 1y ago
      Had they said "the array will be so large it'll have its own gravity." then you'd be making a valid point. But they didn't say just "gravity", they said "gravity well". > "First, let us simply define what a gravity well is. A gravity well is a term used metaphorically to describe the gravitational pull that a large body exerts in space." - https://medium.com/intuition/what-are-gravity-wells-3c1fb6d6d44c https://medium.com/intuition/what-are-gravity-wells-3c1fb6d6... So they weren't suggesting that it will be big enough to get past some boundary below which things don't have gravity, just that smaller things don't have enough gravity to matter.
      - bevr1337 1y ago
        Given all mass has gravity, and gravity can be metaphorically described by a well, all mass has a gravity well. It is not necessary for mass to capture other mass in its gravity. A well is a pleasant and relative metaphor humans can visualize - not a threshold reached after certain mass. "Large" is almost meaningless in this context. Douglas Adams put it best > Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. From an education site: > Everything with mass is able to bend space and the more massive an object is, the more it bends They start with an explanation of a marble compared to a bowling ball. Both have a gravity well, but one exerts far more influence https://www.howitworksdaily.com/the-solar-system-what-is-a-gravitational-well/ https://www.howitworksdaily.com/the-solar-system-what-is-a-g...
- rtkwe 1y ago
  As mentioned in the article the Starcloud design requires solar arrays that are ~2x more efficient than those deployed on the ISS. Simply scaling them up introduces more drag and weight problems as do the batteries needed to suffice for the 45 minutes of darkness the satellite will receive.
  - looofooo0 1y ago
    Maybe they use dawn dusk orbits!
VectorLock 1y ago
Power is solar and cooling is radiators. They did the math on it, its feasible and mostly an engineering problem now.
sheepybloke 1y ago
The biggest difference is radiation. Even in LEO, you will get radiation-caused Single Events that will affect the hardware. That could be a small error or a destructive error, depending on what gets hit.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> In that underwater pod trial, MS saw lower failure rates than expected Underwater pods are the polar opposite of space in terms of failure risks. They don't require a rocket launch to get there, and they further insulate the servers from radiation compared to operating on the surface of the Earth, rather than increasing exposure. (Also, much easier to cool.)

nine_k 1y ago

Indeed, MS had it easier with a huge, readily available cooling reservoir and a layer of water that additionally protects (a little) against cosmic rays, plus the whole thing had to be heavy enough to sink. An orbital datacenter would be in a opposite situation: all cooling is radiative, many more high-energy particles, and the weight should be as light as possible.

looofooo0 1y ago

Power!? Isnt that just PV and batteries? LEO has like 1.5h orbit.

literalAardvark 1y ago
It's a Datacenter... I guess solar is what they're planning to use, but the array will be so large it'll have its own gravity well
- bevr1337 1y ago
  All mass has gravity
  - swores 1y ago
    Had they said "the array will be so large it'll have its own gravity." then you'd be making a valid point. But they didn't say just "gravity", they said "gravity well". > "First, let us simply define what a gravity well is. A gravity well is a term used metaphorically to describe the gravitational pull that a large body exerts in space." - https://medium.com/intuition/what-are-gravity-wells-3c1fb6d6d44c https://medium.com/intuition/what-are-gravity-wells-3c1fb6d6... So they weren't suggesting that it will be big enough to get past some boundary below which things don't have gravity, just that smaller things don't have enough gravity to matter.
    - bevr1337 1y ago
      Given all mass has gravity, and gravity can be metaphorically described by a well, all mass has a gravity well. It is not necessary for mass to capture other mass in its gravity. A well is a pleasant and relative metaphor humans can visualize - not a threshold reached after certain mass. "Large" is almost meaningless in this context. Douglas Adams put it best > Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space. From an education site: > Everything with mass is able to bend space and the more massive an object is, the more it bends They start with an explanation of a marble compared to a bowling ball. Both have a gravity well, but one exerts far more influence https://www.howitworksdaily.com/the-solar-system-what-is-a-gravitational-well/ https://www.howitworksdaily.com/the-solar-system-what-is-a-g...
rtkwe 1y ago
As mentioned in the article the Starcloud design requires solar arrays that are ~2x more efficient than those deployed on the ISS. Simply scaling them up introduces more drag and weight problems as do the batteries needed to suffice for the 45 minutes of darkness the satellite will receive.
- looofooo0 1y ago
  Maybe they use dawn dusk orbits!

VectorLock 1y ago

Power is solar and cooling is radiators. They did the math on it, its feasible and mostly an engineering problem now.

sheepybloke 1y ago

The biggest difference is radiation. Even in LEO, you will get radiation-caused Single Events that will affect the hardware. That could be a small error or a destructive error, depending on what gets hit.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> In that underwater pod trial, MS saw lower failure rates than expected Underwater pods are the polar opposite of space in terms of failure risks. They don't require a rocket launch to get there, and they further insulate the servers from radiation compared to operating on the surface of the Earth, rather than increasing exposure. (Also, much easier to cool.)