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I actually specifically look for those smaller companies. I don't live in Silicon Valley, nor have I ever made Silicon Valley money. I've never wanted to live

I actually specifically look for those smaller companies. I don't live in Silicon Valley, nor have I ever made Silicon Valley money. I've never wanted to live there and I haven't wanted to work for FAANG since Google did away with "don't be evil." If you happen to know where they are posting jobs, aside from the normal terrible job sites because I've been on them since November, I'm interested.

AdamH12113 1y ago
I wish I had something more specific for you, but my experience is more on the demand-adjacent side (as an EE) rather than directly on the software side. The companies I've worked at have posted on the regular job sites but mainly worked through recruiters. Companies do often post announcements on their LinkedIn, if they have one. I share your frustration with the fad-driven, cramming-AI-into-everything, rent-seeking model of modern software, and I wish you luck in your search.
- MongooseStudios 1y ago
  No LinkedIn, I couldn't take another "this is what appendicitis taught me about B2B sales" post. But I bothered all the recruiters I know and fed my resume into the paper shredder of all the companies candidate portal early on. I suspect all those great little companies are either laying low or staffed up with the glut of ex-<prestigious name> devs. Or the huge pool of ex federal employees who have lots of experience in "legacy" systems.
  - scarface_74 1y ago
    Well, you can either be righteous with your pride or go on LinkedIn where the jknd snd recruiters are.
Animats 1y ago
Here's a typical job in that category. Boring but practical Chicago Dryer.[1] Industrial Controls Engineer Chicago Dryer Chicago, IL $80,000 to $110,000 Yearly Vision, Medical, Dental, Paid Time Off, Life Insurance, Retirement Full-Time 5+ years of experience in controls & software engineering High-level knowledge of one or more programming languages (C, Pascal(structured-text)) Familiarity with Windows, Linux & Realtime operating systems Familiarity with electrical codes for industrial machinery Electrical design & CAD experience for automation-controls Solid knowledge of classical-physics (mechanics & motion) Mechanical aptitude and ability to work with hand tools Strong troubleshooting and problem-solving skills Ability to work well with personnel at all levels Beckhoff TwinCat3 experience is a plus Jira and GIT experience is a plus Electronics design & trouble-shooting is a plus Leader in the heavy machinery that takes clean linen items after washing and dries, sorts, folds, and stacks them by the ton. There are vision systems and robotic grippers involved. They've been in business for over a century, building heavy duty laundry equipment. It's a very steady business. Probably good job security. The startups making all the noise in clothes folding, such as Foldimate and Laundroid, went bust. Chicago Dryer equipment processed a few tons of laundry while you were reading this. That's what a blue-collar programming job looks like. But it will be a very clean blue collar. [1] https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Chicago-Dryer/Job/Industrial-Controls-Engineer/-in-Chicago,IL?jid=1f5d93e8dea839b2 https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Chicago-Dryer/Job/Industrial-...
- MongooseStudios 1y ago
  How strict is something like that on the demands for CAD and Electrical Design stuff? Because I've never done any of that. I'd be happy to learn it, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
  - AnimalMuppet 1y ago
    Wisdom in the past was, if you have half of it, apply, because it's always a wish list. I don't know if that still applies, though,

AdamH12113 1y ago

I wish I had something more specific for you, but my experience is more on the demand-adjacent side (as an EE) rather than directly on the software side. The companies I've worked at have posted on the regular job sites but mainly worked through recruiters. Companies do often post announcements on their LinkedIn, if they have one. I share your frustration with the fad-driven, cramming-AI-into-everything, rent-seeking model of modern software, and I wish you luck in your search.

MongooseStudios 1y ago
No LinkedIn, I couldn't take another "this is what appendicitis taught me about B2B sales" post. But I bothered all the recruiters I know and fed my resume into the paper shredder of all the companies candidate portal early on. I suspect all those great little companies are either laying low or staffed up with the glut of ex-<prestigious name> devs. Or the huge pool of ex federal employees who have lots of experience in "legacy" systems.
- scarface_74 1y ago
  Well, you can either be righteous with your pride or go on LinkedIn where the jknd snd recruiters are.

Animats 1y ago

Here's a typical job in that category. Boring but practical Chicago Dryer.[1] Industrial Controls Engineer Chicago Dryer Chicago, IL $80,000 to $110,000 Yearly Vision, Medical, Dental, Paid Time Off, Life Insurance, Retirement Full-Time 5+ years of experience in controls & software engineering High-level knowledge of one or more programming languages (C, Pascal(structured-text)) Familiarity with Windows, Linux & Realtime operating systems Familiarity with electrical codes for industrial machinery Electrical design & CAD experience for automation-controls Solid knowledge of classical-physics (mechanics & motion) Mechanical aptitude and ability to work with hand tools Strong troubleshooting and problem-solving skills Ability to work well with personnel at all levels Beckhoff TwinCat3 experience is a plus Jira and GIT experience is a plus Electronics design & trouble-shooting is a plus Leader in the heavy machinery that takes clean linen items after washing and dries, sorts, folds, and stacks them by the ton. There are vision systems and robotic grippers involved. They've been in business for over a century, building heavy duty laundry equipment. It's a very steady business. Probably good job security. The startups making all the noise in clothes folding, such as Foldimate and Laundroid, went bust. Chicago Dryer equipment processed a few tons of laundry while you were reading this. That's what a blue-collar programming job looks like. But it will be a very clean blue collar. [1] https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Chicago-Dryer/Job/Industrial-Controls-Engineer/-in-Chicago,IL?jid=1f5d93e8dea839b2 https://www.ziprecruiter.com/c/Chicago-Dryer/Job/Industrial-...

MongooseStudios 1y ago
How strict is something like that on the demands for CAD and Electrical Design stuff? Because I've never done any of that. I'd be happy to learn it, but that doesn't seem to matter anymore.
- AnimalMuppet 1y ago
  Wisdom in the past was, if you have half of it, apply, because it's always a wish list. I don't know if that still applies, though,