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God forbid we give consumers access to tools from a place like Lowe's (also a large public company btw [1].) Think of all the dangerous things people could buil

God forbid we give consumers access to tools from a place like Lowe's (also a large public company btw [1].) Think of all the dangerous things people could build with them!!!! This is so unbelievably retarded. [1] https://elite.finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=LOW&p=d https://elite.finviz.com/quote.ashx?t=LOW&p=d

wtallis 1y ago
Obviously there's no point in trying to entirely prevent people from DIYing dangerous devices, medical or otherwise. But that's not what's at issue here. The problem here is the absolutely stupid idea of using a desire for dangerous DIY as the argument in favor of loosening restrictions already in place. It's pretty much the least-compelling argument possible.
- pimeys 1y ago
  AndroidAPS has saved my life and countless of other lives. It is an absolutely amazing tool, so please be respectful before saying it is stupid.
  - wtallis 1y ago
    Please do me the courtesy of not misrepresenting what I have said and clarified. I have not said that AndroidAPS or Loop or any other DIY medical device software is stupid. I have only said that it is something a reputable business would consider risky and dangerous. What I have said is stupid is: your attempt to use that software as an argument in favor of loosening Apple's restrictions on iOS applications. The apps in question are such a legal nightmare that they're not available in any major app store, for iOS or Android. No business with a competent legal department would want to be directly involved with those software projects, unless they were planning to incorporate them into their own product and get it certified by regulators like the FDA. If Apple or any other company in a similar situation decided to open up their platform and even mentioned that one of the benefits of that change was to enable this DIY medical device use case, that would probably put them at substantial legal risk. Regardless of how useful you find such software, you're not going to get a corporation on board by drawing their attention to such a big legal risk. You're also unlikely to win over government regulators, since they're likely to be of the opinion that medical devices should be regulated. You've identified a reason why some customers may want Apple to change their strategy, but you've completely failed to provide a reason why Apple would want to change, or why a government would want to force Apple to change.
    - pimeys 1y ago
      This is the main reason I stay far away from any apple products. And hope EU will slap them hard and force them to allow this. I don't need them to want this, I want EU to force them to do this or put hefty recurring fines until they open the platform.
- msgodel 1y ago
  Ah I see what you're saying, although now that I think about it that actually is a very good argument for Apple not reviewing apps at all. By trying to moderate all of the iOS software Apple takes responsibility for it and becomes liable, this doesn't just mean no medical apps but it also changes what's allowed with communication apps for example (and many more.) It's really just a terrible way to run things. Just let people do what they want, this makes no sense.
saubeidl 1y ago
Please don't normalize the use of ableist language as a slur.
- msgodel 1y ago
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wtallis 1y ago

Obviously there's no point in trying to entirely prevent people from DIYing dangerous devices, medical or otherwise. But that's not what's at issue here. The problem here is the absolutely stupid idea of using a desire for dangerous DIY as the argument in favor of loosening restrictions already in place. It's pretty much the least-compelling argument possible.

pimeys 1y ago
AndroidAPS has saved my life and countless of other lives. It is an absolutely amazing tool, so please be respectful before saying it is stupid.
- wtallis 1y ago
  Please do me the courtesy of not misrepresenting what I have said and clarified. I have not said that AndroidAPS or Loop or any other DIY medical device software is stupid. I have only said that it is something a reputable business would consider risky and dangerous. What I have said is stupid is: your attempt to use that software as an argument in favor of loosening Apple's restrictions on iOS applications. The apps in question are such a legal nightmare that they're not available in any major app store, for iOS or Android. No business with a competent legal department would want to be directly involved with those software projects, unless they were planning to incorporate them into their own product and get it certified by regulators like the FDA. If Apple or any other company in a similar situation decided to open up their platform and even mentioned that one of the benefits of that change was to enable this DIY medical device use case, that would probably put them at substantial legal risk. Regardless of how useful you find such software, you're not going to get a corporation on board by drawing their attention to such a big legal risk. You're also unlikely to win over government regulators, since they're likely to be of the opinion that medical devices should be regulated. You've identified a reason why some customers may want Apple to change their strategy, but you've completely failed to provide a reason why Apple would want to change, or why a government would want to force Apple to change.
  - pimeys 1y ago
    This is the main reason I stay far away from any apple products. And hope EU will slap them hard and force them to allow this. I don't need them to want this, I want EU to force them to do this or put hefty recurring fines until they open the platform.
msgodel 1y ago
Ah I see what you're saying, although now that I think about it that actually is a very good argument for Apple not reviewing apps at all. By trying to moderate all of the iOS software Apple takes responsibility for it and becomes liable, this doesn't just mean no medical apps but it also changes what's allowed with communication apps for example (and many more.) It's really just a terrible way to run things. Just let people do what they want, this makes no sense.

saubeidl 1y ago

Please don't normalize the use of ableist language as a slur.

msgodel 1y ago
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