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It’s not just tariffs that are the issue… quite a few people from other countries have stopped coming to the US and are avoiding buying US products where possib

It’s not just tariffs that are the issue… quite a few people from other countries have stopped coming to the US and are avoiding buying US products where possible

qwerpy 1y ago
On the bright side maybe the national parks will stop being so overcrowded. Better take my kids to Yellowstone soon while this is still the case.
- platevoltage 1y ago
  Better take your kids there before large chunks of it are sold to developers.
randomNumber7 1y ago
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Waterluvian 1y ago
I’ve never seen this level of anti-American sentiment in Canada in my whole life. One thing I have my eye on is how hard consumer habits are to change. For example, American alcohol is simply gone from store shelves in Ontario. I can only imagine how much marketing work went up in the wind now that consumers have adapted. Returning the product to the market is probably not even the hard part.
- fakedang 1y ago
  A Canadian just died in ICE custody. I don't see any reason why Canadians should visit the US.
  - protocolture 1y ago
    No idea why you are getting downvoted. Embarrassment maybe, they cant stand to see the result of their inaction.
- platevoltage 1y ago
  I'm glad to hear first hand that there was followthrough on the alcohol thing.
PartiallyTyped 1y ago
Trust that I and lots of others in Europe — and especially Scandinavia — are boycotting US products — the most basic one I can think of is coca-cola, instead I buy "freeway", ie Lidl's inhouse brand, and I don't think I am going back.
- tombert 1y ago
  Freeway is honestly pretty competitive with Coke in taste. I haven't tried the sugary stuff but I have had a fair amount of their sugar-free drinks and I think they're actually quite good. Slightly differently than Diet Coke/Coke Zero, but not really "worse".
  - PartiallyTyped 1y ago
    I have tried Coke Zero in many, many, countries across Europe, and honestly taste is all over the place. Freeway’s cola is just much more consistent and overall great flavour. My favourite though is their fizzy lemonade.
tombert 1y ago
I don't blame them. My wife got her US citizenship very recently (like two months ago), and historically I have thought that was going to allow me to finally have a sigh of relief after years of fighting with and thousands of dollars spent for the immigration system in the US. Now Republicans are actively trying to denaturalize people so they can be deported. I have no idea how successful that will actually be but the fact that there's an active attempt for it is enough to trigger anxiety for me. If this is how they're treating naturalized citizens, I certainly cannot blame people for not visiting the US on a tourist visa; who the fuck knows what would happen to them? They're detaining tourists for bald JD Vance memes [1], I would stay the hell away from America and spend my vacation money elsewhere. It really depresses me. I love the US. I was born here. I live here. Much as I love visiting Europe, I haven't really wanted to live anywhere else than the US, but I fear that this active hostility towards our foreign trading partners might cause permanent and irreparable damage. For the first time in my life, I have seriously started to consider moving me and my wife to a different country, which I hope I don't have to do but I am genuinely scared that they're going to detain my Mexican-immigrant wife. [1] I know that CBP is denying that it was because of a meme, but instead because of drug use, but in this particular case, legitimacy doesn't matter. If it's believable that I could be detained in a country because I texted a meme to my friends, there's absolutely no way in hell I am visiting that country.
- itbeho 1y ago
  Can you point me to a non-partisan source describing attempts to denaturalize citizens?
  - Crye 1y ago
    The rhetoric is there. See Randy Ogles (R-Tenn) call for Mamdani to be denaturalized.
    - tombert 1y ago
      Yeah that’s what I was referring to. I saw that tweet a few hours ago. https://x.com/RepOgles/status/1938301392416084150 https://x.com/RepOgles/status/1938301392416084150
protocolture 1y ago
The border situation is quite harmful to tourism, to the point where advice is being issued to be careful traveling to the USA. Its not a new thing except in scale either. The same shit was happening as far back as 2015, it just keeps getting worse. And from what I can tell, news reports about how hostile the US is to tourists, doesnt get airtime in the US. People seem shocked or think I am joking when I share story after story of people wrongfully apprehended at the border.
quitit 1y ago
On avoiding travel: One doesn't have to make a principled decision, it's entirely rational to avoid travel to the USA. There's a growing body of holiday makers with neither a criminal record nor evidence of carrying a banned substance, who have been turned away from the USA for nothing more than the vibes of the CBP. In some cases these people were strip searched and thrown into federal prison without any kind of evidence and no wrongdoing whatsoever. An informed person would be right in holidaying elsewhere, otherwise it's a gamble if they will lose the money paid for their holiday and flights. On avoiding business with the USA: The tariffs and their mercurial changes create a type of instability where a USA-based vendor, at random, may no longer be able to fulfil their contract. It's incredibly damaging for our American partners.
- andrekandre 1y ago
  > For the first time in my life, I have seriously started to consider moving me and my wife to a different country, which I hope I don't have to do but I am genuinely scared that they're going to detain my Mexican-immigrant wife. from the rhetoric i reckon thats the implicit goal of all these policies in the end; just make things so chaotic and stressful people stop emigrating/naturalizing...

It’s not just tariffs that are the issue… quite a few people from other countries have stopped coming to the US and are avoiding buying US products where possible

qwerpy 1y ago

On the bright side maybe the national parks will stop being so overcrowded. Better take my kids to Yellowstone soon while this is still the case.

platevoltage 1y ago
Better take your kids there before large chunks of it are sold to developers.

randomNumber7 1y ago

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Waterluvian 1y ago

I’ve never seen this level of anti-American sentiment in Canada in my whole life. One thing I have my eye on is how hard consumer habits are to change. For example, American alcohol is simply gone from store shelves in Ontario. I can only imagine how much marketing work went up in the wind now that consumers have adapted. Returning the product to the market is probably not even the hard part.

fakedang 1y ago
A Canadian just died in ICE custody. I don't see any reason why Canadians should visit the US.
- protocolture 1y ago
  No idea why you are getting downvoted. Embarrassment maybe, they cant stand to see the result of their inaction.
platevoltage 1y ago
I'm glad to hear first hand that there was followthrough on the alcohol thing.

PartiallyTyped 1y ago

Trust that I and lots of others in Europe — and especially Scandinavia — are boycotting US products — the most basic one I can think of is coca-cola, instead I buy "freeway", ie Lidl's inhouse brand, and I don't think I am going back.

tombert 1y ago
Freeway is honestly pretty competitive with Coke in taste. I haven't tried the sugary stuff but I have had a fair amount of their sugar-free drinks and I think they're actually quite good. Slightly differently than Diet Coke/Coke Zero, but not really "worse".
- PartiallyTyped 1y ago
  I have tried Coke Zero in many, many, countries across Europe, and honestly taste is all over the place. Freeway’s cola is just much more consistent and overall great flavour. My favourite though is their fizzy lemonade.

tombert 1y ago

I don't blame them. My wife got her US citizenship very recently (like two months ago), and historically I have thought that was going to allow me to finally have a sigh of relief after years of fighting with and thousands of dollars spent for the immigration system in the US. Now Republicans are actively trying to denaturalize people so they can be deported. I have no idea how successful that will actually be but the fact that there's an active attempt for it is enough to trigger anxiety for me. If this is how they're treating naturalized citizens, I certainly cannot blame people for not visiting the US on a tourist visa; who the fuck knows what would happen to them? They're detaining tourists for bald JD Vance memes [1], I would stay the hell away from America and spend my vacation money elsewhere. It really depresses me. I love the US. I was born here. I live here. Much as I love visiting Europe, I haven't really wanted to live anywhere else than the US, but I fear that this active hostility towards our foreign trading partners might cause permanent and irreparable damage. For the first time in my life, I have seriously started to consider moving me and my wife to a different country, which I hope I don't have to do but I am genuinely scared that they're going to detain my Mexican-immigrant wife. [1] I know that CBP is denying that it was because of a meme, but instead because of drug use, but in this particular case, legitimacy doesn't matter. If it's believable that I could be detained in a country because I texted a meme to my friends, there's absolutely no way in hell I am visiting that country.

itbeho 1y ago
Can you point me to a non-partisan source describing attempts to denaturalize citizens?
- Crye 1y ago
  The rhetoric is there. See Randy Ogles (R-Tenn) call for Mamdani to be denaturalized.
  - tombert 1y ago
    Yeah that’s what I was referring to. I saw that tweet a few hours ago. https://x.com/RepOgles/status/1938301392416084150 https://x.com/RepOgles/status/1938301392416084150

protocolture 1y ago

The border situation is quite harmful to tourism, to the point where advice is being issued to be careful traveling to the USA. Its not a new thing except in scale either. The same shit was happening as far back as 2015, it just keeps getting worse. And from what I can tell, news reports about how hostile the US is to tourists, doesnt get airtime in the US. People seem shocked or think I am joking when I share story after story of people wrongfully apprehended at the border.

quitit 1y ago

On avoiding travel: One doesn't have to make a principled decision, it's entirely rational to avoid travel to the USA. There's a growing body of holiday makers with neither a criminal record nor evidence of carrying a banned substance, who have been turned away from the USA for nothing more than the vibes of the CBP. In some cases these people were strip searched and thrown into federal prison without any kind of evidence and no wrongdoing whatsoever. An informed person would be right in holidaying elsewhere, otherwise it's a gamble if they will lose the money paid for their holiday and flights. On avoiding business with the USA: The tariffs and their mercurial changes create a type of instability where a USA-based vendor, at random, may no longer be able to fulfil their contract. It's incredibly damaging for our American partners.

andrekandre 1y ago
> For the first time in my life, I have seriously started to consider moving me and my wife to a different country, which I hope I don't have to do but I am genuinely scared that they're going to detain my Mexican-immigrant wife. from the rhetoric i reckon thats the implicit goal of all these policies in the end; just make things so chaotic and stressful people stop emigrating/naturalizing...