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"No user ratings and reviews" - that just means you rank last in app store search, right? Apple will do whatever they can to ensure that developers that don't

by jmole 1y ago

"No user ratings and reviews" - that just means you rank last in app store search, right? Apple will do whatever they can to ensure that developers that don't pay will suffer the costs.

jajko 1y ago
I swear there must be somebody properly petty in higher management of apple to keep coming with these childish moves that harm image of the company as some sort of serious reliable manufacturer. I guess to each their own
- microtonal 1y ago
  Yep, I have been a Mac user since 2007 and iPhone user since 2009. But all the malicious compliance and pettiness has me looking at alternatives (at least for iPhone, since it has good alternatives). I don't recognize the fun, playful Apple of the 00s and early 10s anymore. Its soul has been replaced.
  - montagg 1y ago
    “Cook chose poorly.” https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-compliance-court-ruling-breakdown https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-complianc... I think Cook’s time as CEO will be remembered both by enabling massive scale for the most successful consumer product in history—the iPhone—while sacrificing the company’s soul on the alter of efficiency.
lapcat 1y ago
Tier 1 has only exact match search. That's fine with me. All of my empirical evidence over the years suggests that my customers are coming mostly from the outside, and Apple is not bringing me many customers from inside the App Store.
- OptionOfT 1y ago
  With the web becoming more fuzzy it has become acceptable to other products when you're searching for a specific brand. But when I want to buy Grey Poupon Mustard, I don't want to see Heinz etc. If you don't have Grey Poupon, I don't want to see anything.
- seec 1y ago
  That's exactly how it is. Outside of a few viral apps, most of the rest are word of mouth or blog post/reddit/YouTube recommandations. Apple has very little to do with an app success which is why it is egregious they ask so much for the "privilege" of using their App Store (you don't have any other choice anyway).
cyral 1y ago
This sounds kinda like what they did when they were forced to allow outside payments in the US. It could only be one link, with a big scary warning, and a 27% cut. They "comply" with the ruling by making another alternative deal that nobody would ever take. Fortunately this backfired in the US and they were actually forced to get rid of all the restrictions in May.
scottyah 1y ago
Ratings and reviews cost money to maintain. Anti-spam, compute, distribution, security concerns, etc. Apple should do whatever they can to ensure that developers who aren't paying don't degrade the service for everyone else.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  The App Store is already replete with terrible promoted software. Apple made an entire business around degrading the top search results so competitors can bid on less relevant suggestions: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads
- jmole 1y ago
  That would be a great argument if you could actually install apps from outside the Apple App Store.

by jmole 1y ago

"No user ratings and reviews" - that just means you rank last in app store search, right? Apple will do whatever they can to ensure that developers that don't pay will suffer the costs.

jajko 1y ago

I swear there must be somebody properly petty in higher management of apple to keep coming with these childish moves that harm image of the company as some sort of serious reliable manufacturer. I guess to each their own

microtonal 1y ago
Yep, I have been a Mac user since 2007 and iPhone user since 2009. But all the malicious compliance and pettiness has me looking at alternatives (at least for iPhone, since it has good alternatives). I don't recognize the fun, playful Apple of the 00s and early 10s anymore. Its soul has been replaced.
- montagg 1y ago
  “Cook chose poorly.” https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-compliance-court-ruling-breakdown https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-complianc... I think Cook’s time as CEO will be remembered both by enabling massive scale for the most successful consumer product in history—the iPhone—while sacrificing the company’s soul on the alter of efficiency.

lapcat 1y ago

Tier 1 has only exact match search. That's fine with me. All of my empirical evidence over the years suggests that my customers are coming mostly from the outside, and Apple is not bringing me many customers from inside the App Store.

OptionOfT 1y ago
With the web becoming more fuzzy it has become acceptable to other products when you're searching for a specific brand. But when I want to buy Grey Poupon Mustard, I don't want to see Heinz etc. If you don't have Grey Poupon, I don't want to see anything.
seec 1y ago
That's exactly how it is. Outside of a few viral apps, most of the rest are word of mouth or blog post/reddit/YouTube recommandations. Apple has very little to do with an app success which is why it is egregious they ask so much for the "privilege" of using their App Store (you don't have any other choice anyway).

cyral 1y ago

This sounds kinda like what they did when they were forced to allow outside payments in the US. It could only be one link, with a big scary warning, and a 27% cut. They "comply" with the ruling by making another alternative deal that nobody would ever take. Fortunately this backfired in the US and they were actually forced to get rid of all the restrictions in May.

scottyah 1y ago

Ratings and reviews cost money to maintain. Anti-spam, compute, distribution, security concerns, etc. Apple should do whatever they can to ensure that developers who aren't paying don't degrade the service for everyone else.

bigyabai 1y ago
The App Store is already replete with terrible promoted software. Apple made an entire business around degrading the top search results so competitors can bid on less relevant suggestions: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads
jmole 1y ago
That would be a great argument if you could actually install apps from outside the Apple App Store.