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Here are the new tiers: https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/reference/store-services-tiers https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/ref

by lapcat 1y ago

Here are the new tiers: https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/reference/store-services-tiers https://developer.apple.com/help/app-store-connect/reference... The document says manual updates are included but not automatic updates (which is just a setting in the App Store that I personally disable). Whether there will be update notifications is unclear. Is that what you meant by "app notification delivery", or something else? As an App Store developer myself, I would love to have Tier 1 in the United States, mainly due to no user ratings and reviews. I hate them, and I hate trying to solicit them. As far as I'm concerned, ditching ratings & reviews would be a bonus!

jmole 1y ago
"No user ratings and reviews" - that just means you rank last in app store search, right? Apple will do whatever they can to ensure that developers that don't pay will suffer the costs.
- jajko 1y ago
  I swear there must be somebody properly petty in higher management of apple to keep coming with these childish moves that harm image of the company as some sort of serious reliable manufacturer. I guess to each their own
  - microtonal 1y ago
    Yep, I have been a Mac user since 2007 and iPhone user since 2009. But all the malicious compliance and pettiness has me looking at alternatives (at least for iPhone, since it has good alternatives). I don't recognize the fun, playful Apple of the 00s and early 10s anymore. Its soul has been replaced.
    - montagg 1y ago
      “Cook chose poorly.” https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-compliance-court-ruling-breakdown https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-complianc... I think Cook’s time as CEO will be remembered both by enabling massive scale for the most successful consumer product in history—the iPhone—while sacrificing the company’s soul on the alter of efficiency.
- lapcat 1y ago
  Tier 1 has only exact match search. That's fine with me. All of my empirical evidence over the years suggests that my customers are coming mostly from the outside, and Apple is not bringing me many customers from inside the App Store.
  - OptionOfT 1y ago
    With the web becoming more fuzzy it has become acceptable to other products when you're searching for a specific brand. But when I want to buy Grey Poupon Mustard, I don't want to see Heinz etc. If you don't have Grey Poupon, I don't want to see anything.
  - seec 1y ago
    That's exactly how it is. Outside of a few viral apps, most of the rest are word of mouth or blog post/reddit/YouTube recommandations. Apple has very little to do with an app success which is why it is egregious they ask so much for the "privilege" of using their App Store (you don't have any other choice anyway).
- cyral 1y ago
  This sounds kinda like what they did when they were forced to allow outside payments in the US. It could only be one link, with a big scary warning, and a 27% cut. They "comply" with the ruling by making another alternative deal that nobody would ever take. Fortunately this backfired in the US and they were actually forced to get rid of all the restrictions in May.
- scottyah 1y ago
  Ratings and reviews cost money to maintain. Anti-spam, compute, distribution, security concerns, etc. Apple should do whatever they can to ensure that developers who aren't paying don't degrade the service for everyone else.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    The App Store is already replete with terrible promoted software. Apple made an entire business around degrading the top search results so competitors can bid on less relevant suggestions: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads
  - jmole 1y ago
    That would be a great argument if you could actually install apps from outside the Apple App Store.
rekoil 1y ago
No I meant like APNS, which is what iOS uses to send notifications to iOS devices. It's the only way to get iOS to display a notification currently, and it isn't possible to register your own backend for it, so if you want notifications shipped to your users (as in, alerts that happen while users do not have your app open) then you must (to my knowledge) go through Apple.
- lapcat 1y ago
  In that case, then, I think you're wrong. You were quoting a list of store services. APNS is an iOS feature but not an App Store service. And indeed, APNS is not listed as a Tier 2 service either.
  - rekoil 1y ago
    But Tier 2 just says "all of it", which is why I was curious since it wasn't listed under Tier 1, but you're probably right, it would be absolutely insane if Apple were to try and pass off a deal like that as being in any way comparable with what Apple themselves are afforded.

by lapcat 1y ago

jmole 1y ago

"No user ratings and reviews" - that just means you rank last in app store search, right? Apple will do whatever they can to ensure that developers that don't pay will suffer the costs.

jajko 1y ago
I swear there must be somebody properly petty in higher management of apple to keep coming with these childish moves that harm image of the company as some sort of serious reliable manufacturer. I guess to each their own
- microtonal 1y ago
  Yep, I have been a Mac user since 2007 and iPhone user since 2009. But all the malicious compliance and pettiness has me looking at alternatives (at least for iPhone, since it has good alternatives). I don't recognize the fun, playful Apple of the 00s and early 10s anymore. Its soul has been replaced.
  - montagg 1y ago
    “Cook chose poorly.” https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-compliance-court-ruling-breakdown https://www.theverge.com/apple/659296/apple-failed-complianc... I think Cook’s time as CEO will be remembered both by enabling massive scale for the most successful consumer product in history—the iPhone—while sacrificing the company’s soul on the alter of efficiency.
lapcat 1y ago
Tier 1 has only exact match search. That's fine with me. All of my empirical evidence over the years suggests that my customers are coming mostly from the outside, and Apple is not bringing me many customers from inside the App Store.
- OptionOfT 1y ago
  With the web becoming more fuzzy it has become acceptable to other products when you're searching for a specific brand. But when I want to buy Grey Poupon Mustard, I don't want to see Heinz etc. If you don't have Grey Poupon, I don't want to see anything.
- seec 1y ago
  That's exactly how it is. Outside of a few viral apps, most of the rest are word of mouth or blog post/reddit/YouTube recommandations. Apple has very little to do with an app success which is why it is egregious they ask so much for the "privilege" of using their App Store (you don't have any other choice anyway).
cyral 1y ago
This sounds kinda like what they did when they were forced to allow outside payments in the US. It could only be one link, with a big scary warning, and a 27% cut. They "comply" with the ruling by making another alternative deal that nobody would ever take. Fortunately this backfired in the US and they were actually forced to get rid of all the restrictions in May.
scottyah 1y ago
Ratings and reviews cost money to maintain. Anti-spam, compute, distribution, security concerns, etc. Apple should do whatever they can to ensure that developers who aren't paying don't degrade the service for everyone else.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  The App Store is already replete with terrible promoted software. Apple made an entire business around degrading the top search results so competitors can bid on less relevant suggestions: https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads https://developer.apple.com/documentation/apple_search_ads
- jmole 1y ago
  That would be a great argument if you could actually install apps from outside the Apple App Store.

rekoil 1y ago

No I meant like APNS, which is what iOS uses to send notifications to iOS devices. It's the only way to get iOS to display a notification currently, and it isn't possible to register your own backend for it, so if you want notifications shipped to your users (as in, alerts that happen while users do not have your app open) then you must (to my knowledge) go through Apple.

lapcat 1y ago
In that case, then, I think you're wrong. You were quoting a list of store services. APNS is an iOS feature but not an App Store service. And indeed, APNS is not listed as a Tier 2 service either.
- rekoil 1y ago
  But Tier 2 just says "all of it", which is why I was curious since it wasn't listed under Tier 1, but you're probably right, it would be absolutely insane if Apple were to try and pass off a deal like that as being in any way comparable with what Apple themselves are afforded.