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Well this is just hyperbole. Since when are pinch to zoom and the specific Apple bounce back effect mandatory requirements for making a touchscreen device ? Es

Well this is just hyperbole. Since when are pinch to zoom and the specific Apple bounce back effect mandatory requirements for making a touchscreen device ? Especially given how for the bounce back effect there are now at least three non-infringing alternatives in shipping devices from Samsung, HTC and Motorola.

blinkingled 14y ago
Tap to zoom, pinch to zoom, bounce back, rounded rectangles with glass etc. are obvious features people expect in a touchscreen device that is manipulated using fingers. If you are not going to have an ability to pinch and zoom or tap and zoom you can still sell a device without those abilities but you cannot get very far in the highly competitive marketplace. Remember between Microsoft and Apple they can patent the few ways to zoom and when courts validate those you will have smart phone competition without the ability to zoom. That's just one example.
- benihana 14y ago
  >Tap to zoom, pinch to zoom, bounce back, rounded rectangles with glass etc. are obvious features people expect in a touchscreen device that is manipulated using fingers. These are obvious features now. They weren't obvious in 2007 when the iPhone was released. Apple basically dictated the language of the consumer smartphone when it released the iPhone in 2007.
  - blinkingled 14y ago
    That should not give them exclusive rights to making what can be called a smart phone in 2012. Also both pinch to zoom and rounded rects have a solid prior art.
    - snogglethorpe 14y ago
      Not to mention "tap to zoom." I mean, WTF...
  - radarsat1 14y ago
    Weren't a lot of those interactions developed in academia before the iPhone came out? e.g. Jeff Han's TED talk, 2006: http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_tou... It's kind of bs that Apple can sue for people copying their gestures when they clearly were inspired by previous research on the topic.. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-s... By they have "patents," so what should Universities do, should Universities spend all their time and resources patenting every little idea they come up with just in case some company decides to come along and copy them? Or maybe, just maybe, patent law juries should be required to actually properly review prior art, as the jurists in this case have admitted to ignoring?* * http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500358-37/exclusive-apple-samsung-juror-speaks-out/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500358-37/exclusive-appl... "It was bogging us down." I mean, honestly, if juries won't consider prior art because there is TOO MUCH OF IT, how can we expect to take patent law seriously?
  - twmb 14y ago
    They're obvious features now because we can actually use two objects (our fingers) to interact with the screen at once. Pinch to zoom wasn't at all obvious when everything only could be touched once (PDA's) or not touched at all. It seems only obvious to pinch to zoom something, but we could not have done that until a full touch interface.
  - natrius 14y ago
    Minority Report came out in 2002. It contains pinch-to-zoom. It is obvious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVBzx0LMNQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVBzx0LMNQ Edit: Another commenter linked to this 2002 video, which is a better example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSXkJBKT1s&t=2m19s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSXkJBKT1s&t=2m19s

blinkingled 14y ago

Tap to zoom, pinch to zoom, bounce back, rounded rectangles with glass etc. are obvious features people expect in a touchscreen device that is manipulated using fingers. If you are not going to have an ability to pinch and zoom or tap and zoom you can still sell a device without those abilities but you cannot get very far in the highly competitive marketplace. Remember between Microsoft and Apple they can patent the few ways to zoom and when courts validate those you will have smart phone competition without the ability to zoom. That's just one example.

benihana 14y ago
>Tap to zoom, pinch to zoom, bounce back, rounded rectangles with glass etc. are obvious features people expect in a touchscreen device that is manipulated using fingers. These are obvious features now. They weren't obvious in 2007 when the iPhone was released. Apple basically dictated the language of the consumer smartphone when it released the iPhone in 2007.
- blinkingled 14y ago
  That should not give them exclusive rights to making what can be called a smart phone in 2012. Also both pinch to zoom and rounded rects have a solid prior art.
  - snogglethorpe 14y ago
    Not to mention "tap to zoom." I mean, WTF...
- radarsat1 14y ago
  Weren't a lot of those interactions developed in academia before the iPhone came out? e.g. Jeff Han's TED talk, 2006: http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_touchscreen.html http://www.ted.com/talks/jeff_han_demos_his_breakthrough_tou... It's kind of bs that Apple can sue for people copying their gestures when they clearly were inspired by previous research on the topic.. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-s... By they have "patents," so what should Universities do, should Universities spend all their time and resources patenting every little idea they come up with just in case some company decides to come along and copy them? Or maybe, just maybe, patent law juries should be required to actually properly review prior art, as the jurists in this case have admitted to ignoring?* * http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500358-37/exclusive-apple-samsung-juror-speaks-out/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57500358-37/exclusive-appl... "It was bogging us down." I mean, honestly, if juries won't consider prior art because there is TOO MUCH OF IT, how can we expect to take patent law seriously?
- twmb 14y ago
  They're obvious features now because we can actually use two objects (our fingers) to interact with the screen at once. Pinch to zoom wasn't at all obvious when everything only could be touched once (PDA's) or not touched at all. It seems only obvious to pinch to zoom something, but we could not have done that until a full touch interface.
- natrius 14y ago
  Minority Report came out in 2002. It contains pinch-to-zoom. It is obvious. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVBzx0LMNQ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwVBzx0LMNQ Edit: Another commenter linked to this 2002 video, which is a better example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSXkJBKT1s&t=2m19s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waSXkJBKT1s&t=2m19s